Alumni in the pros 24-25

[Al DeFlorio]

I play occasionally with a kid who's heading to Chicago Steel for Juniors, and to Maine for Collage (unfortunately, because he's so darn good) that Head Coach Mike Garman is off to Notre Dame to be Associate Head Coach.

FWIW, the kid is super nice, an amazing player, but seems to have zero academic ambition and is only concerned with hockey and getting to the NHL. "What are you going to study at Maine?" Kid,"I don't know. I haven't really thought about it."
This is why we get who we get at Cornell, and shouldn't even worry for a moment about over-agers from the CHL coming to East Hill.

Mike Garman to Notre Dame

I'm not sure what this post means but there are overagers from the CHL going to Princeton, as one example. Also, you overstate the academic ambition of many players who choose Cornell. I'm not saying our players are dumb (at all), but many of them want nothing other than to play professionally, and are not nearly as focused on academics. We are trying to recruit high-end hockey players, not high-end scholars. Obviously there is a correlation between being smart and choosing (and having the minimum academic credentials to attend) Cornell, but people need to dispense with the notion that Cornell hockey players are cut from an entirely different cloth than those of other programs.

How many of our players do you know?

[BearLover]

I play occasionally with a kid who's heading to Chicago Steel for Juniors, and to Maine for Collage (unfortunately, because he's so darn good) that Head Coach Mike Garman is off to Notre Dame to be Associate Head Coach.

FWIW, the kid is super nice, an amazing player, but seems to have zero academic ambition and is only concerned with hockey and getting to the NHL. "What are you going to study at Maine?" Kid,"I don't know. I haven't really thought about it."
This is why we get who we get at Cornell, and shouldn't even worry for a moment about over-agers from the CHL coming to East Hill.

Mike Garman to Notre Dame

I'm not sure what this post means but there are overagers from the CHL going to Princeton, as one example. Also, you overstate the academic ambition of many players who choose Cornell. I'm not saying our players are dumb (at all), but many of them want nothing other than to play professionally, and are not nearly as focused on academics. We are trying to recruit high-end hockey players, not high-end scholars. Obviously there is a correlation between being smart and choosing (and having the minimum academic credentials to attend) Cornell, but people need to dispense with the notion that Cornell hockey players are cut from an entirely different cloth than those of other programs.

How many of our players do you know?

I crossed paths with many athletes in my time at Cornell (hockey, lacrosse, football, ...). They all seemed a lot more focused on athletics than academics. This is not intended as a slight. Being a high-end college athlete is like a full-time job. Why do you think most athletes end up in AEM/the hotel school? Why are almost none engineers? These kids don't blow off academics but it's usually not their main focus. I don't think it's even close, honestly, but I'd prefer to not turn this discussion into another flame war.

[marty]

I play occasionally with a kid who's heading to Chicago Steel for Juniors, and to Maine for Collage (unfortunately, because he's so darn good) that Head Coach Mike Garman is off to Notre Dame to be Associate Head Coach.

FWIW, the kid is super nice, an amazing player, but seems to have zero academic ambition and is only concerned with hockey and getting to the NHL. "What are you going to study at Maine?" Kid,"I don't know. I haven't really thought about it."
This is why we get who we get at Cornell, and shouldn't even worry for a moment about over-agers from the CHL coming to East Hill.

Mike Garman to Notre Dame

I'm not sure what this post means but there are overagers from the CHL going to Princeton, as one example. Also, you overstate the academic ambition of many players who choose Cornell. I'm not saying our players are dumb (at all), but many of them want nothing other than to play professionally, and are not nearly as focused on academics. We are trying to recruit high-end hockey players, not high-end scholars. Obviously there is a correlation between being smart and choosing (and having the minimum academic credentials to attend) Cornell, but people need to dispense with the notion that Cornell hockey players are cut from an entirely different cloth than those of other programs.

How many of our players do you know?

I crossed paths with many athletes in my time at Cornell (hockey, lacrosse, football, ...). They all seemed a lot more focused on athletics than academics. This is not intended as a slight. Being a high-end college athlete is like a full-time job. Why do you think most athletes end up in AEM/the hotel school? Why are almost none engineers? These kids don't blow off academics but it's usually not their main focus. I don't think it's even close, honestly, but I'd prefer to not turn this discussion into another flame war.

You called it, Al.  

Apparently they are letting Brian post again.   How long before he has to "Take a break from eLynah"?

Only his (underpaid) analyst knows for sure.

[The Rancor]

I play occasionally with a kid who's heading to Chicago Steel for Juniors, and to Maine for Collage (unfortunately, because he's so darn good) that Head Coach Mike Garman is off to Notre Dame to be Associate Head Coach.

FWIW, the kid is super nice, an amazing player, but seems to have zero academic ambition and is only concerned with hockey and getting to the NHL. "What are you going to study at Maine?" Kid,"I don't know. I haven't really thought about it."
This is why we get who we get at Cornell, and shouldn't even worry for a moment about over-agers from the CHL coming to East Hill.

Mike Garman to Notre Dame

I'm not sure what this post means but there are overagers from the CHL going to Princeton, as one example. Also, you overstate the academic ambition of many players who choose Cornell. I'm not saying our players are dumb (at all), but many of them want nothing other than to play professionally, and are not nearly as focused on academics. We are trying to recruit high-end hockey players, not high-end scholars. Obviously there is a correlation between being smart and choosing (and having the minimum academic credentials to attend) Cornell, but people need to dispense with the notion that Cornell hockey players are cut from an entirely different cloth than those of other programs.

What I'm saying is that Cornell, and Mike Schafer, and hopefully Coach Jones, recruit players of qualities that include athleticism, ambition and character. I don't doubt there are a few CHL players with the grades and ambition to go to an Ivy, even Princeton. But if you read the article about Mike Garman, who no doubt you'd call a sieve and not worthy of starting or something, was at Cornell for hockey, but also to learn how to lead- what he learned from Coach Schafer, it's what you don't get about sports and everything else Cornell Hockey. Look at the above posts about the Abbots. Look and see how players have succeeded in becoming success on and off ice, and sharing their wisdom with another generation. We're going to see a Garman, Abbot, or others back behind the bench in a decade or so, maybe less. But it was never the Venerated Joe Nieuwendyke, but it might be Topher Scott.

[BearLover]

I play occasionally with a kid who's heading to Chicago Steel for Juniors, and to Maine for Collage (unfortunately, because he's so darn good) that Head Coach Mike Garman is off to Notre Dame to be Associate Head Coach.

FWIW, the kid is super nice, an amazing player, but seems to have zero academic ambition and is only concerned with hockey and getting to the NHL. "What are you going to study at Maine?" Kid,"I don't know. I haven't really thought about it."
This is why we get who we get at Cornell, and shouldn't even worry for a moment about over-agers from the CHL coming to East Hill.

Mike Garman to Notre Dame

I'm not sure what this post means but there are overagers from the CHL going to Princeton, as one example. Also, you overstate the academic ambition of many players who choose Cornell. I'm not saying our players are dumb (at all), but many of them want nothing other than to play professionally, and are not nearly as focused on academics. We are trying to recruit high-end hockey players, not high-end scholars. Obviously there is a correlation between being smart and choosing (and having the minimum academic credentials to attend) Cornell, but people need to dispense with the notion that Cornell hockey players are cut from an entirely different cloth than those of other programs.

What I'm saying is that Cornell, and Mike Schafer, and hopefully Coach Jones, recruit players of qualities that include athleticism, ambition and character. I don't doubt there are a few CHL players with the grades and ambition to go to an Ivy, even Princeton. But if you read the article about Mike Garman, who no doubt you'd call a sieve and not worthy of starting or something, was at Cornell for hockey, but also to learn how to lead- what he learned from Coach Schafer, it's what you don't get about sports and everything else Cornell Hockey. Look at the above posts about the Abbots. Look and see how players have succeeded in becoming success on and off ice, and sharing their wisdom with another generation. We're going to see a Garman, Abbot, or others back behind the bench in a decade or so, maybe less. But it was never the Venerated Joe Nieuwendyke, but it might be Topher Scott.

Cornell hockey players (and many other Cornell athletes), as far as I can tell, are amazing people and leaders. You're arguing with a strawman. My point is only that acting like we can't get CHL kids or that we only get kids serious about academics is wrong. Also, Mike Garman was a very good goalie when I was a student.

[scoop85]

With Garman joining the ND coaching staff, he's someone to keep in mind as a possible HC candidate down the road when Casey is ready to retire.

[Trotsky]

In my experience, Cornell athletes are no dumber, at the median, than the average business or engineering major.  No, they aren't A&S, but they aren't Martha Van for the most part either.  Other than their athletics they are incurious and plodding, but hard workers.  From personal experience that is the typical Cornell or Stanford student as well.  There are brilliant exceptions, of course, who actually can, and want to, understand Principii di una Scienza Nuova Intorno alla Natura delle Nazioni per la Quale si Ritruovano i Principii di Altro Sistema del Diritto Naturale delle Genti, or Mécanique analytique.  Odds are there was probably one in hockey history as well.  In the main they are time servers.  In another age they would have been C students before that became dangerous for selectivity.

They aren't any less interested in knowledge and discovery than the average "student" because the average student is a mediocrat.  So don't run them down.  They are no dumber than the average citizen, and they could obviously not do worse than we have been doing lately.

[Weder]

There are more varsity athletes in A&S than you might think. That's what the government major is for. I made it through government without breaking too much of a sweat, but I wasn't aiming for law school or any sort of job in politics.

[chimpfood]

A&S has so many easy majors and Engineering is way harder. Ag, ILR and business are the easier colleges these days and I have noticed ILRies to be especially slow.

[BearLover]

Nobody needs an argument over which Cornell school is smarter. I only meant to say that Cornell does, and should, recruit hockey players who are hockey players first and foremost. So we should expect to compete for top players and CHL overagers.

[Scersk '97]

With Garman joining the ND coaching staff, he's someone to keep in mind as a possible HC candidate down the road when Casey is ready to retire.

I think Garman would be a very strong candidate.

And, anyway, I'm still peeved that Iles got that start in Atlantic City. Garman is owed one.

[arugula]

A&S has so many easy majors and Engineering is way harder. Ag, ILR and business are the easier colleges these days and I have noticed ILRies to be especially slow.

Thanks!

[VIEWfromK]

Kempf played in his first AHL postseason game last night in Colorado.  He had the secondary assist on their first goal of the game.

[fastforward]

Kempf played in his first AHL postseason game last night in Colorado.  He had the secondary assist on their first goal of the game.

That's great! Glad to see our guys doing well

[sah67]

Speaking of Colorado and the AHL, here's a nice  article/interview from a few weeks ago (just prior to the start of the playoffs) on Jacob MacDonald and the impact he's made this season. He discusses how he had hoped to remain in San Jose last year, but that Colorado has become a much better fit, especially with him back on the blue line full-time:

https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jose-sharks-jacob-macdonald-colorado-eagles-barracuda

Colorado and Abbotsford play a decisive game five today, with the winner moving onto the conference finals against the Texas Stars.