Men's Lax Tournament 2024

[Al DeFlorio]

So we think they over think the HF advantage for lax is too much so force the home team to play late at night and have less time after the time to get treatment/recover if they win?

Or we think they are worried about the 100 people driving 4 hrs to the game for one of the other 3 teams?

Putting my money on league wanting home team in late game to keep people in stands.

[upprdeck]

How does that even matter.  If you are a cornell local you can pay $20 for 3 games or $15 for friday or $10 for Sunday

if you buy the full package they get the money either way even if you only go to one game.

Most locals will show up for Cornell and some diehards for both.

How many does Yale/Princ bring on this trip on a Friday ?  a 100?

It will be warm which will help.  Then you get a t-storm delay and now the late game gets over at midnight.

4/7 made more sense to get the biggest crowd and the best of the sun and weather.

[Al DeFlorio]

How does that even matter.  If you are a cornell local you can pay $20 for 3 games or $15 for friday or $10 for Sunday

if you buy the full package they get the money either way even if you only go to one game.

Most locals will show up for Cornell and some diehards for both.

How many does Yale/Princ bring on this trip on a Friday ?  a 100?

It will be warm which will help.  Then you get a t-storm delay and now the late game gets over at midnight.

4/7 made more sense to get the biggest crowd and the best of the sun and weather.

4/7 or 1/4 would be better.  More butts on seats looks better for both games. I'm guessing that's why they put #1 in late game.  I'd rather see C play early, but league didn't ask my opinion..

[billhoward]

Polls after games of April 27-28, 2024. Cornell remains at 8 in the Media/USILA poll. Syracuse is up to #3.

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Media / Inside Lacrosse 4/29/24 Week 12
#  Team                Points Prev
1  Notre Dame (10 - 1) 460(23) 1
2  Johns Hopkins (10-3) 430 3
3  Syracuse (11 - 4) 406 4
4  Denver (11 - 2) 363 6
5  Virginia (10 - 4) 346 5
6  Duke (11 - 4) 343 2
7  Maryland (8 - 4) 312 7
[b][color=#CC0000]8  Cornell (9 - 4) 306 8[/color][/b]
9  Penn State (10 - 3) 293 10
10 Georgetown (10 - 3) 268 11
11 Army (11 - 2) 220 12
[b]12 Princeton (9 - 4) 212 13[/b]
[b]13 Yale (11 - 3) 199 9[/b]
14 St Joseph's (10 - 3) 147 16
15 Towson (11 - 3) 141 15
[b]16 Penn (8 - 5)        121 17[/b]
17 Michigan (8 - 6) 81 19
18 Richmond (9 - 5) 68 14
19 Delaware (8 - 4) 36 18
20 Boston U (8 - 6) 24 --
Receiving Votes: [b]Harvard[/b], Colgate, North Carolina, Jacksonville, UAlbany, Lehigh, Loyola, Utah, Sacred Heart, High Point
 
Quint Kessenich on LaxAllStars has it:

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1  ND
2  Hopkins
3  Syracuse
4  Duke
5  Virginia
6  Penn State
7  Denver
8  Cornell (unchanged)
9  Maryland
10 Georgetown
11 Army
12 Princeton (was 14)
13 Yale (was 11)
14 Penn  (was 15)
15 Towson
16 St. Joseph's
17 Delaware
18 Richmond
19 Michigan
20 BU

We are going to Ithaca!  Cotter, Carc and I will be at Cornell (9-4) for the Ivy League tournament on Friday night and Sunday at 1pm. (ESPNU)

"Hardhat 21" took care of business at Dartmouth 15-10 to wrap up their regular season. Cornell's offense was led by senior CJ Kirst who had seven points while freshman Ryan Goldstein added five points. Goalie Wyatt Knust, suddenly on fire, made 18 stops.

For my money, Pat Kavanagh and CJ Kirst sit atop the Tewaaraton race entering May. The pack chasing this duo includes Matt Brandau, Liam Entenmann, Evan Plunkett, Brennan O'Neil and Connor Shellenberger. This award takes care of itself and parallels a team's climb to Philadelphia.
CJ Kirst averages 3.6 goals per game.

[mike1960]

Polls after games of April 27-28, 2024. Cornell remains at 8 in the Media/USILA poll. Syracuse is up to #3.

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Media / Inside Lacrosse 4/29/24 Week 12
#  Team                Points Prev
1  Notre Dame (10 - 1) 460(23) 1
2  Johns Hopkins (10-3) 430 3
3  Syracuse (11 - 4) 406 4
4  Denver (11 - 2) 363 6
5  Virginia (10 - 4) 346 5
6  Duke (11 - 4) 343 2
7  Maryland (8 - 4) 312 7
[b][color=#CC0000]8  Cornell (9 - 4) 306 8[/color][/b]
9  Penn State (10 - 3) 293 10
10 Georgetown (10 - 3) 268 11
11 Army (11 - 2) 220 12
[b]12 Princeton (9 - 4) 212 13[/b]
[b]13 Yale (11 - 3) 199 9[/b]
14 St Joseph's (10 - 3) 147 16
15 Towson (11 - 3) 141 15
[b]16 Penn (8 - 5)        121 17[/b]
17 Michigan (8 - 6) 81 19
18 Richmond (9 - 5) 68 14
19 Delaware (8 - 4) 36 18
20 Boston U (8 - 6) 24 --
Receiving Votes: [b]Harvard[/b], Colgate, North Carolina, Jacksonville, UAlbany, Lehigh, Loyola, Utah, Sacred Heart, High Point
 
Quint Kessenich on LaxAllStars has it:

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1  ND
2  Hopkins
3  Syracuse
4  Duke
5  Virginia
6  Penn State
7  Denver
8  Cornell (unchanged)
9  Maryland
10 Georgetown
11 Army
12 Princeton (was 14)
13 Yale (was 11)
14 Penn  (was 15)
15 Towson
16 St. Joseph's
17 Delaware
18 Richmond
19 Michigan
20 BU

We are going to Ithaca!  Cotter, Carc and I will be at Cornell (9-4) for the Ivy League tournament on Friday night and Sunday at 1pm. (ESPNU)

"Hardhat 21" took care of business at Dartmouth 15-10 to wrap up their regular season. Cornell's offense was led by senior CJ Kirst who had seven points while freshman Ryan Goldstein added five points. Goalie Wyatt Knust, suddenly on fire, made 18 stops.

For my money, Pat Kavanagh and CJ Kirst sit atop the Tewaaraton race entering May. The pack chasing this duo includes Matt Brandau, Liam Entenmann, Evan Plunkett, Brennan O'Neil and Connor Shellenberger. This award takes care of itself and parallels a team's climb to Philadelphia.
CJ Kirst averages 3.6 goals per game.

"suddenly on fire"?

[ugarte]

"the home team is the headliner, so they get the last spot on the bill" is the simplest explanation.

[Iceberg]

The idea that the late game has greater attendance because it gives people more time to drive doesn't seem credible. According to Google Maps, the university closest to Ithaca is Penn, which is 3h 43m away. With the game starting at 8:30, one would have to leave Philadelphia by 4:00 to be on time. If one's going to take off Friday at 4:00, they might as well take off at noon. Besides, real lacrosse fans who would drive this far (228 mi.) would take the day off in order to arrive in time to check into their hotel and have dinner before the first game.

That time from Philadelphia is a best case scenario when I-76 going to King of Prussia isn't locked with traffic and it doesn't take forever to get to the northeast extension (I-476) where traffic is clear and the speed limit is higher than anywhere in New York. Leaving at 4 PM would mean closer to a 5-hour trip. I doubt many Penn supporters who aren't students actually live in the city, though--they're more likely to be in one of the neighboring county suburbs for reasons I won't get into here.

[Swampy]

We are going to Ithaca!  Cotter, Carc and I will be at Cornell (9-4) for the Ivy League tournament on Friday night and Sunday at 1pm. (ESPNU)

"Hardhat 21" took care of business at Dartmouth 15-10 to wrap up their regular season. Cornell's offense was led by senior CJ Kirst who had seven points while freshman Ryan Goldstein added five points. Goalie Wyatt Knust, suddenly on fire, made 18 stops.

For my money, Pat Kavanagh and CJ Kirst sit atop the Tewaaraton race entering May. The pack chasing this duo includes Matt Brandau, Liam Entenmann, Evan Plunkett, Brennan O'Neil and Connor Shellenberger. This award takes care of itself and parallels a team's climb to Philadelphia.
CJ Kirst averages 3.6 goals per game.

The thing that bugs me about summarizing Kirst's contribution by average goals per game is that it reduces a multi-dimensional player (and game) to a single point. Kirst does so much more than just score goals: he gets ground balls, he causes turnovers on the ride, etc. Other contestants are also multi-dimensional. So, don't reduce the game or player to a single statistic, as if this were anything but a team game.

[billhoward]

... which Kirsch contributions outside Goals/Assists the voters will recognize. One hopes.

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Matt Brandau, Yale  45-54--97   3CT  33GB
CJ Kirst, Cornell   45-21--66  16CT  32GB
Pat Kavanagh, ND    19-34--53  10CT  26GB


For my money, Pat Kavanagh and CJ Kirst sit atop the Tewaaraton race entering May. The pack chasing this duo includes Matt Brandau, Liam Entenmann, Evan Plunkett, Brennan O'Neil and Connor Shellenberger. This award takes care of itself and parallels a team's climb to Philadelphia.

[Swampy]

... which Kirsch contributions outside Goals/Assists the voters will recognize. One hopes.

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Matt Brandau, Yale  45-54--97   3CT  33GB
CJ Kirst, Cornell   45-21--66  16CT  32GB
Pat Kavanagh, ND    19-34--53  10CT  26GB


For my money, Pat Kavanagh and CJ Kirst sit atop the Tewaaraton race entering May. The pack chasing this duo includes Matt Brandau, Liam Entenmann, Evan Plunkett, Brennan O'Neil and Connor Shellenberger. This award takes care of itself and parallels a team's climb to Philadelphia.

Yeah! And if you did it on a per-game basis, adjusting for their teams' schedules, ND has played 11 games, Yale 14, and Cornell 13.So, Kav looks a little better, and Brandau, a little worse. Here are some normalized figures:

Brandau, Yale 14 games, per game numbers:    3.2 -  3.9 - 6.9    0.2CT     2.4GB
Kirst, Cornell 13 games, per game numbers:     3.5 -  1.6 - 5.0.   1.2CT.   2.5GB
Kavanagh, ND. 11 games, per game numbers:   1.7 - 3.1 - 4.8.   0.9CT.    2.4GB

Bold = best in category

[upprdeck]

If you read seeding tea leaves coming out Cornell better beat Penn Friday

[CU77]

Uncertainty on the attack persists, though, as fifth-year attackman Michael Long did not play or dress for Cornell in its season finale against Dartmouth. Long, who has consistently battled injuries throughout his elongated undergrad, is still a question mark heading into Friday night's contest.

"I hope so," Buczek said when asked if Long will slot into the lineup for Friday's game. "The expectation is that [Long] will be in the lineup for us Friday."

https://cornellsun.com/2024/05/01/rematch-with-penn-awaits-mens-lacrosse-in-ivy-tournament-semifinal/

[upprdeck]

Denver losing was not good and Mich beat8ng just is bad too

[semsox]

The Denver loss is definitely bad, but the Michigan one only matters if they end up winning. They're still outside even with the new W vs. Hopkins

[David Harding]

Uncertainty on the attack persists, though, as fifth-year attackman Michael Long did not play or dress for Cornell in its season finale against Dartmouth. Long, who has consistently battled injuries throughout his elongated undergrad, is still a question mark heading into Friday night's contest.

"I hope so," Buczek said when asked if Long will slot into the lineup for Friday's game. "The expectation is that [Long] will be in the lineup for us Friday."

https://cornellsun.com/2024/05/01/rematch-with-penn-awaits-mens-lacrosse-in-ivy-tournament-semifinal/

I was happy to see Jane McNally's name on the lacrosse story, continuing her good coverage.