Cornell at Dartmouth, 1/27

[pjd8]

A late refresh of PWR has Cornell at 15 with an RPI of .5498 and UNH at 16 with an RPI of .5489. These schools have the two best goalies in the nation, and they both are capable of playing above their ranking when playing a good team and below their ranking when playing a poor one. They both promise to make the late regular season interesting.

I'll get to see the Wildcats take on BU and Merrimack next weekend at the Whit. I expect UNH to split the weekend, but I'm not laying down money on which game they will win. The same can go for Cornell.

And if any of you have contact info for Mike Machnick, please let me know. I'd love to finally meet him in person on Saturday.

[ugarte]

how did we get outshot by dartmouth what the fuck i'm still mad about this game

[RichH]

how did we get outshot by dartmouth what the fuck i'm still mad about this game

The defense babied the puck in the defensive zone all night and just about any Dartmouth forecheck could have their way anytime.

Why is it always Dartmouth. Seems like it's over 20 years with this dark bugaboo they have on us.

[shafer]

Because they are travel partners with Harvard, we are wired to always be a little less up for them or have a little less energy. Them's the breaks.

[Trotsky]

And if any of you have contact info for Mike Machnick, please let me know. I'd love to finally meet him in person on Saturday.

That takes me back.  He and the guy from Maine who has sadly passed were the OGs of hockey-l.

[George64]

What a depressing finish, to wit being outshot in regulation and still be one lucky shot away from a 3-2 regulation win, then getting out-possessioned in the 3x3 OT then losing the shootout without getting even one goal.

The 3 on 3 OT needs to go!  It's an aberration!  I don't recall ever seeing a 3 on 3 in the course of a hockey game.  Puck possession becomes the key.  Worse yet, for an inferior team, just possess the puck and settle for a tie.  With so much open ice, it's relatively easy to do.

Except for tournaments, what's wrong with a tie?  Go to, say, a 10 minute sudden-death OT, if no one scores, it's a tie.  You win it's two points, you tie one point.

And the shootout is totally pointless.  It's one thing in soccer where most games seem to end nil-nil in regulation, but not hockey.

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

What a depressing finish, to wit being outshot in regulation and still be one lucky shot away from a 3-2 regulation win, then getting out-possessioned in the 3x3 OT then losing the shootout without getting even one goal.

The 3 on 3 OT needs to go!  It's an aberration!  I don't recall ever seeing a 3 on 3 in the course of a hockey game.  Puck possession becomes the key.  Worse yet, for an inferior team, just possess the puck and settle for a tie.  With so much open ice, it's relatively easy to do.

Except for tournaments, what's wrong with a tie?  Go to, say, a 10 minute sudden-death OT, if no one scores, it's a tie.  You win it's two points, you tie one point.

And the shootout is totally pointless.  It's one thing in soccer where most games seem to end nil-nil in regulation, but not hockey.

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

There used to be 3 on 3 a long time ago.  During offsetting minors both players sat and they played 4 on 4.  If two sets of offsetting minors happened, they played 3 on 3.  However, Edmonton was so good at scoring 3 on 3 that the NHL eliminated it by continuing to play 5 on 5 for offsetting minors  Some people nicknamed  the change "The Gretzky Rule."  Eventually the NCAA followed suit.

[Dafatone]

What a depressing finish, to wit being outshot in regulation and still be one lucky shot away from a 3-2 regulation win, then getting out-possessioned in the 3x3 OT then losing the shootout without getting even one goal.

The 3 on 3 OT needs to go!  It's an aberration!  I don't recall ever seeing a 3 on 3 in the course of a hockey game.  Puck possession becomes the key.  Worse yet, for an inferior team, just possess the puck and settle for a tie.  With so much open ice, it's relatively easy to do.

Except for tournaments, what's wrong with a tie?  Go to, say, a 10 minute sudden-death OT, if no one scores, it's a tie.  You win it's two points, you tie one point.

And the shootout is totally pointless.  It's one thing in soccer where most games seem to end nil-nil in regulation, but not hockey.

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

I don't like 3 on 3 either. It feels like a different sport. Especially sudden death.

A 3 on 3 league would be fun, but sudden death just turns into possession focused hockey and gets surprisingly slow.

[George64]

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

I still hope someone can answer my question, but in the meantime, in the Lynah Rink era, Cornell has gone 1133-643-149, so only 7.74 percent of all games have resulted in ties.  These data, however, include post-season playoffs, so the regular season percentage should be somewhat higher.  On the other hand, it includes games since tie-breaking inanity was instituted, which would reduce the tie percentage a bit.  In a 29 game regular season, we should expect about two ties a year, not a BFD.  This may vary for other teams.

[Trotsky]

3x3 and shootouts are shit, but this is the path the NHL has chosen, and so it is the path the NC$$ will follow.

Make me dictator.  I will end RS games after regulation, no overtime, and play tourny games 5x5 with 20 min periods until somebody scores, the end.

[SotaFaithful]

Holy crap, this forum is still active? Super cool!

[BearLover]

What a depressing finish, to wit being outshot in regulation and still be one lucky shot away from a 3-2 regulation win, then getting out-possessioned in the 3x3 OT then losing the shootout without getting even one goal.

The 3 on 3 OT needs to go!  It's an aberration!  I don't recall ever seeing a 3 on 3 in the course of a hockey game.  Puck possession becomes the key.  Worse yet, for an inferior team, just possess the puck and settle for a tie.  With so much open ice, it's relatively easy to do.

Except for tournaments, what's wrong with a tie?  Go to, say, a 10 minute sudden-death OT, if no one scores, it's a tie.  You win it's two points, you tie one point.

And the shootout is totally pointless.  It's one thing in soccer where most games seem to end nil-nil in regulation, but not hockey.

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

I don't like 3 on 3 either. It feels like a different sport. Especially sudden death.

A 3 on 3 league would be fun, but sudden death just turns into possession focused hockey and gets surprisingly slow.

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

3x3 OT and shootouts add so much excitement to a game that otherwise would have ended in a tie that I think they are rightfully here to stay. To me, the interesting question is how to weight them because they're so much different from the rest of a hockey game. Not using either 3x3 or shootouts in the playoffs, and weighting shootouts as nothing for the PWR and as just a point in the standings, is perfect. The 65/35 PWR split for 3x3 win vs. loss is a little too great in my view—I'd rather they go back to 55/45 or do 60/40—but it's okay.

Really, the key point is that the significant majority of fans find these post-regulation gimmicks very exciting, and they have a muted effect on a team's success, so in my book I'm fine with the reality that they aren't going away.

[Dafatone]

What a depressing finish, to wit being outshot in regulation and still be one lucky shot away from a 3-2 regulation win, then getting out-possessioned in the 3x3 OT then losing the shootout without getting even one goal.

The 3 on 3 OT needs to go!  It's an aberration!  I don't recall ever seeing a 3 on 3 in the course of a hockey game.  Puck possession becomes the key.  Worse yet, for an inferior team, just possess the puck and settle for a tie.  With so much open ice, it's relatively easy to do.

Except for tournaments, what's wrong with a tie?  Go to, say, a 10 minute sudden-death OT, if no one scores, it's a tie.  You win it's two points, you tie one point.

And the shootout is totally pointless.  It's one thing in soccer where most games seem to end nil-nil in regulation, but not hockey.

I'm curious, prior to this silliness, what percent of regular season games ended in a tie?

I don't like 3 on 3 either. It feels like a different sport. Especially sudden death.

A 3 on 3 league would be fun, but sudden death just turns into possession focused hockey and gets surprisingly slow.

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

3x3 OT and shootouts add so much excitement to a game that otherwise would have ended in a tie that I think they are rightfully here to stay. To me, the interesting question is how to weight them because they're so much different from the rest of a hockey game. Not using either 3x3 or shootouts in the playoffs, and weighting shootouts as nothing for the PWR and as just a point in the standings, is perfect. The 65/35 PWR split for 3x3 win vs. loss is a little too great in my view—I'd rather they go back to 55/45 or do 60/40—but it's okay.

Really, the key point is that the significant majority of fans find these post-regulation gimmicks very exciting, and they have a muted effect on a team's success, so in my book I'm fine with the reality that they aren't going away.

I'm the rare weirdo that dislikes 3x3 in the NHL, but I get that most people like it. I didn't realize they went to 65/35 OT for the pairwise, though. I'm with you that I'd prefer it a little less steep.

[adamw]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

[adamw]

3x3 OT and shootouts add so much excitement to a game that otherwise would have ended in a tie that I think they are rightfully here to stay. To me, the interesting question is how to weight them because they're so much different from the rest of a hockey game. Not using either 3x3 or shootouts in the playoffs, and weighting shootouts as nothing for the PWR and as just a point in the standings, is perfect. The 65/35 PWR split for 3x3 win vs. loss is a little too great in my view—I'd rather they go back to 55/45 or do 60/40—but it's okay.

Just for the record - it's 2/3 and 1/3 split .... so .6666666666666666666/.33333333333333333