Cornell at Dartmouth, 1/27

[BearLover]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

Wait, I'm confused—are you saying that there is a rule that a team cannot lose RPI from a tie on the road? If BC tied Stonehill on the road, their RPI/PWR would be unaffected?

[adamw]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

Wait, I'm confused—are you saying that there is a rule that a team cannot lose RPI from a tie on the road? If BC tied Stonehill on the road, their RPI/PWR would be unaffected?

I said the opposite ... I said if you win you're not allowed to drop from it.

Cornell dropped - but it didn't come from its own Win% - which for the game, is .600. It came from its SOS (i.e. opp win%, and opp-opp win%).

[BearLover]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

Wait, I'm confused—are you saying that there is a rule that a team cannot lose RPI from a tie on the road? If BC tied Stonehill on the road, their RPI/PWR would be unaffected?

I said the opposite ... I said if you win you're not allowed to drop from it.

Cornell dropped - but it didn't come from its own Win% - which for the game, is .600. It came from its SOS (i.e. opp win%, and opp-opp win%).

Cornell tied, though—it didn't win. So I don't really understand the distinction you're making.

[Mr. Niss]

3x3 and shootouts are shit, but this is the path the NHL has chosen, and so it is the path the NC$$ will follow.

Make me dictator.  I will end RS games after regulation, no overtime, and play tourny games 5x5 with 20 min periods until somebody scores, the end.

Totally agree about the 3x3.  It makes sense in the NHL, where the goal is entertaining the fans and an extra point here or there isn't a huge deal.  Each NCAA game is so much more important.  Having games decided by 3x3 OT, with a result that counts the same or similar to a win in regular time, is ludicrous.

[jkahn]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

Wait, I'm confused—are you saying that there is a rule that a team cannot lose RPI from a tie on the road? If BC tied Stonehill on the road, their RPI/PWR would be unaffected?

I said the opposite ... I said if you win you're not allowed to drop from it.


Cornell dropped - but it didn't come from its own Win% - which for the game, is .600. It came from its SOS (i.e. opp win%, and opp-opp win%).

The drop, in part, did come from Cornell's win percentage.  Adding 6/10 of a win and 4/10 of a loss to Cornell's win percentage prior to the game would drop the win % for any team over .600 in winning percentage.

[BearLover]

Appears that the pwr is not changed.

Cornell lost RPI in the PWR. Because it was in OT and on the road, it wasn't as bad as it otherwise would have been against the 44th ranked team. But we dropped from ~.5528 to .5500, meaning we are closer to 16, and farther from 14, than we were when the night began.

A drop is a drop - though it came from SOS, not from the result itself. Since the tie on the road is worth .6000. If you win, you're not allowed to drop from it - so if you do, the result is discarded.

Wait, I'm confused—are you saying that there is a rule that a team cannot lose RPI from a tie on the road? If BC tied Stonehill on the road, their RPI/PWR would be unaffected?

I said the opposite ... I said if you win you're not allowed to drop from it.


Cornell dropped - but it didn't come from its own Win% - which for the game, is .600. It came from its SOS (i.e. opp win%, and opp-opp win%).

The drop, in part, did come from Cornell's win percentage.  Adding 6/10 of a win and 4/10 of a loss to Cornell's win percentage prior to the game would drop the win % for any team over .600 in winning percentage.

adamw seems to be claiming that this drop was erased per a PWR rule that negates any drop a team would receive from a "bad win." But Cornell didn't win, it tied, so even if that were the rule, I don't understand why it's relevant here.

[chimpfood]

Yeah, ties can definitely bring your rpi down, what I'm not sure about and would love to know is whether or not OT wins can bring rpi down and wether you get less of the quality win bonus for an OT win and if you get any portion of a quality win bonus for a tie.

[sah67]

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

I've actually seen a lot of commentary from NHL fans/journalists this season regarding how many teams have figured out how to make 3-on-3 OT "boring"/less risky by having their skaters (with the puck) cycle back repeatedly through the neutral zone and into their own zone until they can find the "perfect" entry. You'll frequently hear a loud chorus of boos from the crowd when the visiting team employs this strategy in OT.

There have been some rumors that some team owners and league management want to discuss the potential introduction of a delay-of-game penalty in OT (in future seasons) for crossing back over the red line once you've entered the attacking neutral zone with the puck, a la a "backcourt" violation in basketball.

[ugarte]

i was going to say the same - teams are content to take a 3x3 tie and play a very risk averse possession game. it's like watching the cornell powerplay.

[BearLover]

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

I've actually seen a lot of commentary from NHL fans/journalists this season regarding how many teams have figured out how to make 3-on-3 OT "boring"/less risky by having their skaters (with the puck) cycle back repeatedly through the neutral zone and into their own zone until they can find the "perfect" entry. You'll frequently hear a loud chorus of boos from the crowd when the visiting team employs this strategy in OT.

There have been some rumors that some team owners and league management want to discuss the potential introduction of a delay-of-game penalty in OT (in future seasons) for crossing back over the red line once you've entered the attacking neutral zone with the puck, a la a "backcourt" violation in basketball.

I mostly watch the Rangers and Devils, both of whom have so much skill that the 3x3 OTs never play out the way you describe. It may be different with other teams, but with the Rangers/Devils it's almost entirely end to end action. 3x3 OT is can't-miss action for the Devils in particular.

[Al DeFlorio]

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

I've actually seen a lot of commentary from NHL fans/journalists this season regarding how many teams have figured out how to make 3-on-3 OT "boring"/less risky by having their skaters (with the puck) cycle back repeatedly through the neutral zone and into their own zone until they can find the "perfect" entry. You'll frequently hear a loud chorus of boos from the crowd when the visiting team employs this strategy in OT.

There have been some rumors that some team owners and league management want to discuss the potential introduction of a delay-of-game penalty in OT (in future seasons) for crossing back over the red line once you've entered the attacking neutral zone with the puck, a la a "backcourt" violation in basketball.

I mostly watch the Rangers and Devils, both of whom have so much skill that the 3x3 OTs never play out the way you describe. It may be different with other teams, but with the Rangers/Devils it's almost entirely end to end action. 3x3 OT is can't-miss action for the Devils in particular.

May be "can't miss action" (so was roller derby) but it isn't hockey.

[BearLover]

Do you guys watch much NHL? 3x3 OT is still really fast paced and exciting in the NHL. In college it's a little slower, but there are still many more great scoring chances per minute than in regulation. Frankly, it's very exciting for the casual fan, and it's still exciting for the jaded enfranchised fan like me as well. The same goes for shootouts, though to a lesser degree.

I've actually seen a lot of commentary from NHL fans/journalists this season regarding how many teams have figured out how to make 3-on-3 OT "boring"/less risky by having their skaters (with the puck) cycle back repeatedly through the neutral zone and into their own zone until they can find the "perfect" entry. You'll frequently hear a loud chorus of boos from the crowd when the visiting team employs this strategy in OT.

There have been some rumors that some team owners and league management want to discuss the potential introduction of a delay-of-game penalty in OT (in future seasons) for crossing back over the red line once you've entered the attacking neutral zone with the puck, a la a "backcourt" violation in basketball.

I mostly watch the Rangers and Devils, both of whom have so much skill that the 3x3 OTs never play out the way you describe. It may be different with other teams, but with the Rangers/Devils it's almost entirely end to end action. 3x3 OT is can't-miss action for the Devils in particular.

May be "can't miss action" (so was roller derby) but it isn't hockey.

Hockey players skating, passing, and shooting is something that I would refer to as hockey. Except there's way less congestion, fewer play stoppages, no more neutral zone traps, fewer cheap goals off of weird bounces and deflections, and way more scoring opportunities than 5x5. It's a faster and more exciting form of hockey, in small doses.

[upprdeck]

Is it a different game? for sure.

But its still hockey because it can and does happen in the real game even if in very limited situations.

Like Bball when a game is played 5x3..  not fun to watch and doesn't happen that often, but it does.

[Al DeFlorio]

Is it a different game? for sure.

But its still hockey because it can and does happen in the real game even if in very limited situations.

Like Bball when a game is played 5x3..  not fun to watch and doesn't happen that often, but it does.

It happened in a real game for a reason: actual called penalties.  It happens in overtime because some assholes decided to do it that way, perhaps to appeal to those who think beach volleyball is a real sport, not a skin show.    

[What is 5x3 basketball?]

[upprdeck]

Is it a different game? for sure.

But its still hockey because it can and does happen in the real game even if in very limited situations.

Like Bball when a game is played 5x3..  not fun to watch and doesn't happen that often, but it does.

It happened in a real game for a reason: actual called penalties.  It happens in overtime because some assholes decided to do it that way, perhaps to appeal to those who think beach volleyball is a real sport, not a skin show.    

[What is 5x3 basketball?]

5x3 is better than 5x2.. no rule that basketball is played 5x5.