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[Trotsky]

They're employees, just give them a contract and pay them.  Stop making them go to classes, it demeans everyone.  If they want to, fine.

[Trotsky]

I had no idea the Dartmouth basketball team was going before the NLRB.

[BearLover]

I had no idea the Dartmouth basketball team was going before the NLRB.

If Dartmouth basketball players demand to be paid, the end result isn't them getting paid, it's Dartmouth cutting their basketball program. What am I missing?

[kingpin248]

I had no idea the Dartmouth basketball team was going before the NLRB.

If Dartmouth basketball players demand to be paid, the end result isn't them getting paid, it's Dartmouth cutting their basketball program. What am I missing?

According to adamw, nothing at all:
https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/1754641763996672059

[Trotsky]

Even if Adam's Armageddon rhetoric were correct, if hundreds of thousands of athletes are getting opportunities because of athletics that means hundreds of thousands of students are denied  opportunities because of athletics.

It's college.  Books > balls.

But of course that rhetoric is not correct, and we will adjust, and we will continue to have college athletics even as we enjoy NCAA hockey early round games at campus sites.

[upprdeck]

You really think that Dart will now turn around and pay 300 athletes because they join a union?  Because it wont just be one sport doing this? And do all the ivies bargain together with the union to level the field? or do all the schools in the ncaa do that like the pros do?  That required some exemptions from congress?

And how will union pay work? Do all the kids get the same amount?  Do starters get more or Srs or whatever?  Unions have scale rates will all the kids accept they are equals?

Dart kids get $500 Harvard kids get $10k. BC kids get $100k?  It will be chaos.


We have self funded sports to.  Could gets start a new sport at a school and force the school to pay them the union rate?

[BearLover]

Even if Adam's Armageddon rhetoric were correct, if hundreds of thousands of athletes are getting opportunities because of athletics that means hundreds of thousands of students are denied  opportunities because of athletics.

It's college.  Books > balls.

But of course that rhetoric is not correct, and we will adjust, and we will continue to have college athletics even as we enjoy NCAA hockey early round games at campus sites.

There's no chance Cornell will ever compete nationally at any sport if we are forced to pay the athletes. These sports already lose Cornell and other schools huge amounts of money. We can only hope that these changes are confined to football and basketball. Otherwise, the choice is either going to be cut the sport entirely or use a D-III model.

[BearLover]

Even if Adam's Armageddon rhetoric were correct, if hundreds of thousands of athletes are getting opportunities because of athletics that means hundreds of thousands of students are denied  opportunities because of athletics.

It's college.  Books > balls.

But of course that rhetoric is not correct, and we will adjust, and we will continue to have college athletics even as we enjoy NCAA hockey early round games at campus sites.

There's no chance Cornell will ever compete nationally at any sport if we are forced to pay the athletes. These sports already lose Cornell and other schools huge amounts of money. We can only hope that these changes are confined to football and basketball. Otherwise, the choice is either going to be cut the sport entirely or use a D-III model.

With that said, I am hopeful this remains confined to football and basketball. Those are the only profitable college sports. I would think the field hockey, gymnastics, crew athletes understand that demanding wages would result in their programs being cut entirely or relegated to D-III. Going forward we need to hope football and basketball are divorced from the rest of the NCAA.

[Trotsky]

Pay makes sense if the university is making money off the players.  Give them a percentage of the net profit.  For every sport except football and basketball, the net profit is zero.

Problem solved.  Not that it was a problem, since "but it's inconvenient and complicated" are not good reasons to exploit people.

[TimV]

It seems a key factor in this ruling was "compensation" the players (as employees) receive, even though previous rulings called them educational stipends.  Those stipends weren't taxed.  So do player's scholarships (academic as they are::whistle: now become taxable as remuneration/income?

[nshapiro]

Pay makes sense if the university is making money off the players.  Give them a percentage of the net profit.  For every sport except football and basketball, the net profit is zero.

Problem solved.  Not that it was a problem, since "but it's inconvenient and complicated" are not good reasons to exploit people.

Does Dartmouth basketball make a profit?

[BearLover]

Pay makes sense if the university is making money off the players.  Give them a percentage of the net profit.  For every sport except football and basketball, the net profit is zero.

Problem solved.  Not that it was a problem, since "but it's inconvenient and complicated" are not good reasons to exploit people.

Does Dartmouth basketball make a profit?

No. In fact, Dartmouth cited this in its argument before the NLRB.

[upprdeck]

Athletics as a hole may not. bball as a singular may though

Its the same argument others school may make.

If fball bring in the bucks to fund the other sports can that money be separated out?

Like any business with multiple divisions that all make different profits

say OSU makes 80 million from TV and spends 60 and then 20 goes to someplace else at the college. Is there really a profit to give to the players?

[ugarte]

Pay makes sense if the university is making money off the players.  Give them a percentage of the net profit.  For every sport except football and basketball, the net profit is zero.

Problem solved.  Not that it was a problem, since "but it's inconvenient and complicated" are not good reasons to exploit people.

Does Dartmouth basketball make a profit?

how relevant is this when you are putting coaching salaries and facilities improvements on the ledger? these could be diverted to player comp.

[upprdeck]

Pay makes sense if the university is making money off the players.  Give them a percentage of the net profit.  For every sport except football and basketball, the net profit is zero.

Problem solved.  Not that it was a problem, since "but it's inconvenient and complicated" are not good reasons to exploit people.

Does Dartmouth basketball make a profit?

how relevant is this when you are putting coaching salaries and facilities improvements on the ledger? these could be diverted to player comp.

does a normal business do that?  they pay the bills and they plan for the future.
if paying the kids means they cant pay the bills and plan for the future then the business shuts the doors

Some people want the kids to make money and thats fine.. But it wont/cant be 40% like the NFL the money is not big enough because we forget there are thousands and thousands of kids not  hundreds or a thousand like the NBA and the MLB.

we lose site that 1% of the teams generate the real dollars across dozens of sports.