Cornell football coach

Started by billhoward, November 08, 2023, 11:24:36 AM

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Ken711

Quote from: nyc94Surprised that as bad as Archer's record is Cornell has never finished in 8th place - alone, untied, dead last - during his tenure.

And that's apparently all it takes to keep a his job with coaching record going on 10 straight losing seasons. Hopefully, the new AD finally cuts ties with Archer after this season is over.

nyc94

Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: nyc94Surprised that as bad as Archer's record is Cornell has never finished in 8th place - alone, untied, dead last - during his tenure.

Maybe that fact will figure in the season opening press release next year.

Like the year a three-way tie for 6th place (last place) exceeded expectations of the preseason poll of 7th.

mike1960

Quote from: nyc94
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: nyc94Surprised that as bad as Archer's record is Cornell has never finished in 8th place - alone, untied, dead last - during his tenure.

Maybe that fact will figure in the season opening press release next year.

Like the year a three-way tie for 6th place (last place) exceeded expectations of the preseason poll of 7th.
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Exactly.

But touchdown!! Nice red zone call.

George64

Cornell football, under David Archer, is now assured of yet another losing season even if we beat Columbia (by no means a given).  Archer should now do the right thing and resign.  In PR-speak "to pursue other career options."

jmeaneyjr

Archer has to go. Hopefully he has the self awareness to walk into the AD's office in November 20 and resign.

jmeaneyjr

I can assure you that is was more complicated than that. In fact, I never heard about Blackman being available as a precipitating factor. Their were alumni from the early 50s that had issues with Seifert's personnel decisions. In other words, it reeked of politics. Whatever - we are now talking about a pressing issue 47 years later.

Simply put, it should be "bye, bye" Archer. Hopefully, he recognizes that and exits stage door left...

Ken711

Quote from: George64Cornell football, under David Archer, is now assured of yet another losing season even if we beat Columbia (by no means a given).  Archer should now do the right thing and resign.  In PR-speak "to pursue other career options."

Exactly. Promote him to an "administrative position" if they don't want to fire him and he won't resign. But 10 straight years of losing seasons is enough!!!!

jmeaneyjr

Well - way past "enough", but he just should leave...

CAS

Maybe Jimbo Fisher would like to turn around the Cornell program?  Texas A&M is rumored to be paying off the $76MM he's owed under his contract.  He won't be needing the money to resurrect Big Red football.  Hey Nicki Moore was an associate AD at Oklahoma & UNC.  She knows big-time football...

ugarte

Quote from: CASMaybe Jimbo Fisher would like to turn around the Cornell program?  Texas A&M is rumored to be paying off the $76MM he's owed under his contract.  He won't be needing the money to resurrect Big Red football.  Hey Nicki Moore was an associate AD at Oklahoma & UNC.  She knows big-time football...
he would plotz at the scouting budget. he'd have to go into his pockets like a teacher in an urban school district paying for supplies.

Local Motion

As I have stated before.............regardless of the coach we hire changes need to be made with the Big Red football team from the stadium to the issues with admissions and financial aid.   Otherwise the new coach will last three years and we are right back to where we started.

rss77

Agreed need support from Day Hall for program to move forward.  BTW watching replay last the Red looked as flat as pancakes.

George64

Quote from: Local MotionAs I have stated before.............regardless of the coach we hire changes need to be made with the Big Red football team from the stadium to the issues with admissions and financial aid.  Otherwise the new coach will last three years and we are right back to where we started.

Are you suggesting that we become the 15th member of the Big 10?  It's my understanding that Ivy League schools don't award merit or athletic scholarships, but do match each other's financial aid packages.  Athletes often snag lucrative summer jobs and paid internships.  

I, and probably most students and alumni, value the Ivy League brand more than winning football games, although the two are not mutually exclusive.  Even without athletic "scholarships," we've done consistently well in men's and women's hockey, lacrosse, wrestling, etc.  Arguably, it is harder to do in football with a roster of 116.  

As for admissions, we offer more potential majors than any other Ivy.  I take pride in that many of our athletes become doctors, professors, CEOs, and even lawyers and investment bankers.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: George64
Quote from: Local MotionAs I have stated before.............regardless of the coach we hire changes need to be made with the Big Red football team from the stadium to the issues with admissions and financial aid.  Otherwise the new coach will last three years and we are right back to where we started.

Are you suggesting that we become the 15th member of the Big 10?  It's my understanding that Ivy League schools don't award merit or athletic scholarships, but do match each other's financial aid packages.  Athletes often snag lucrative summer jobs and paid internships.  

I, and probably most students and alumni, value the Ivy League brand more than winning football games, although the two are not mutually exclusive.  Even without athletic "scholarships," we've done consistently well in men's and women's hockey, lacrosse, wrestling, etc.  Arguably, it is harder to do in football with a roster of 116.  

As for admissions, we offer more potential majors than any other Ivy.  I take pride in that many of our athletes become doctors, professors, CEOs, and even lawyers and investment bankers.
I'm with you, George.  Had an exchange of letters with Bob Blackman during his Cornell tenure.  His complaint with admissions was having to deal with separate admissions offices for each undergraduate school.  Also said afternoon labs from 2 to 4:30 interfered with practices.  Other issues mentioned, too, but I'm too old to remember.
Al DeFlorio '65

CAS

We are nationally competitive in lax, hockey, wrestling, and certain other sports. There is no good reason why we can't compete in the Ivies in football.  All teams at Cornell share the same admissions  financial aid, student academic requirements, senior administration, etc.  The coaching staffs are different though...