Cornell football coach

[Local Motion]

This is exactly why the lack of interest in athletics by the Cornell administration makes me so frustrated.    The Ivy League is a sports conference and not an academic affiliation.  The entire purpose of the Ivy League is to play high level athletics coupled with high level academics.   I know as a former student-athlete I worked my A...... off at Cornell both in the classroom and at practice.   It was incredibly challenging and I often thought about quitting my sport, primarily my freshman and sophomore years because I was barely seeing the field come game day.  That sucked but welcome to college athletics.  It was much better my junior/senior years and was happy to graduate with both my degree and varsity letter.  For example, if you look at Wall Street, many of the bond traders, investment bankers, and other professions in the Big Apple are former Ivy League athletes because they were both strong academically and have good people & teamwork skills to succeed in a high paced environment.   We had a family member who had major heart surgery a few years back and the surgeon had played football at Harvard and attended med school at Cornell.   That is the difference between the Ivy League and the Big Ten which should be celebrated, not downgraded.   Go Big Red!

[Ken711]

If the athletic administration retains a coach with a career to date record winning Ivy League of games won at .275 (29-50) over the past 10 years, regardless if they win the final game of the year, that illustrates a total lack of interest more than anything.  It would be somewhat defensible if Archer was building toward a winning season 5-6 years ago that's one thing, but with the consistency of losing season after season over such a long period, it's indefensible in keeping Archer around for an 11th year.  One would hope, if he bleeds Cornell red, he steps aside on his own, otherwise Nicki Moore needs to dismiss him.

[Trotsky]

For example, if you look at Wall Street, many of the bond traders, investment bankers, and other professions in the Big Apple are former Ivy League athletes because they both came from money and are the type of sociopath that thrives in those environments.

Fixed your post.

[Weder]

That is the difference between the Ivy League and the Big Ten

In 2041, this will be the Big Ten membership, and they'll use a complex formula of federal research money received and football winning percentage to determine promotion and relegation among five divisions.

[Trotsky]

Is that an affiliation of the nation's sleaziest federal grant welfare queens?

Edit: Can't be; Stanford isn't there.

[billhoward]

Well, there's an old saying: "A successful university president provides sex for the students, parking for the faculty, and winning football for the alumni."

Clark Kerr, chancellor, University of California, also president, Berkeley. Write that on your hand. If I said that, I'd want it on my tombstone. Better than Beloved by All or I Told You I Was Sick.

[jmeaneyjr]

I am hopeful that he resigns. I agree that he has to accept the fact that he is not the right guy.
That's what I was alluding to when I mentioned self awareness in a previous post. We'll see if he gets it...

[abmarks]

Is that an affiliation of the nation's sleaziest federal grant welfare queens?

Edit: Can't be; Stanford isn't there.

Stanford is there. Right after Columbia on the list.

[Trotsky]

Is that an affiliation of the nation's sleaziest federal grant welfare queens?

Edit: Can't be; Stanford isn't there.

Stanford is there. Right after Columbia on the list.

Ah.  Was looking for the tree.

[George64]

Cornell football, under David Archer, is now assured of yet another losing season even if we beat Columbia (by no means a given).  Archer should now do the right thing and resign.  In PR-speak "to pursue other career options."

Like I said, "by no means a given."  Archer needs to pursue other career options.

[Ken711]

Cornell football, under David Archer, is now assured of yet another losing season even if we beat Columbia (by no means a given).  Archer should now do the right thing and resign.  In PR-speak "to pursue other career options."

Like I said, "by no means a given."  Archer needs to pursue other career options.

Without a doubt

[billhoward]

Cornell finishes the 2023 football season in seventh place, with a 2-5 record thanks to wins over tied-for-title Yale) and tied-for-fifth Brown. After the first two games, the remaining record was one win and seven losses including the last four games.

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[b]2023 Ivy League Football Standings
SCHOOL   CONF CPCT. OVERALL PCT. STREAK[/b]
Harvard   5-2 .714 8-2 .800 L1
Yale   5-2 .714 7-3 .700 W4
Dartmouth  5-2 .714 6-4 .600 W3
Princeton  4-3 .571 5-5 .500 W1
Penn   3-4 .429 6-4 .600 L2
Brown   3-4 .429 5-5 .500 L1
Cornell   2-5 .286 3-7 .300 L4
Columbia   1-6 .143 3-7 .300 W1
Cornell Ivy margins of victory:
 +2, +22
-18, -11, -15, -16, -15


After 10 years of competition, Cornell has won 29% of all games, 27% of Ivy games. One .500 season, 2022. The best one-year improvements, when Cornell was +3 on wins year over year, were 2016 and 2022.

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Year W L Ivy     Ivy Finish
2013 3       7       2-5       7th
2014 1 9 1-6  7th
2015 1 9 1-6 t-7th
2016 4 6 2-5 t-6th
2017 3 7 3-4 t-5th
2018 3 7 2-5  7th
2019 4 6 3-4 t-4th
2020    Covid, no competition                
2021 2 8 1-6 t-6th
2022 5 5 2-5 t-6th
2023    3       7       2-5       7th
[b]Totals  29      71      19-51    
Win %          .290    .271  [/b]

[billhoward]

With the season ended, the most likely outcome is for David Archer to step down as head football coach or be removed. Given his two-decade career with Cornell (including as a player), he might find a second life in athletics or Cornell administration.

The decision will be easier – less hard – to make this year:
* Cornell football lost 3 more games than the best-under-Archer .500 of 2022
* There's a newer, younger athletics director (read: could be building a record at Cornell for a higher position in 5 years, or could be here into the 2040s because Cornell is not a low-level AD's job), one who did not make the hire
* Ten seasons (11 years including the Covid bye year) is a round number, time to take stock
*  The last time it made clear sense to move on was 2018, the second straight 3-7 season and an Ivy record that fell from 3-4 to 2-5. 2019, Cornell had its best ever Archer-era Ivy season (tie for fourth on a 3-4 record). 2020 was the Covid year, not going to make a move then. 2021 was the worst record, 2-8, since 2015, but maybe Noel knew then he was leaving in a year and wanted (rightly) to let the new AD make the hire. 2022 was Archer's best season if only a 2-5 Ivy record.

If it happens, it should happen quickly. It gives the assistants a better chance to find new jobs. And for Archer to find a new role outside Cornell, although his leadership abilities and his years here make him equally suited for a job in athletics or Cornell-elsewhere.

[kingpin248]

With the season ended, the most likely outcome is for David Archer to step down as head football coach or be removed. Given his two-decade career with Cornell (including as a player), he might find a second life in athletics or Cornell administration.

The decision will be easier – less hard – to make this year:
* Cornell football lost 3 more games than the best-under-Archer .500 of 2022
* There's a newer, younger athletics director (read: could be building a record at Cornell for a higher position in 5 years, or could be here into the 2040s because Cornell is not a low-level AD's job), one who did not make the hire
* Ten seasons (11 years including the Covid bye year) is a round number, time to take stock
*  The last time it made clear sense to move on was 2018, the second straight 3-7 season and an Ivy record that fell from 3-4 to 2-5. 2019, Cornell had its best ever Archer-era Ivy season (tie for fourth on a 3-4 record). 2020 was the Covid year, not going to make a move then. 2021 was the worst record, 2-8, since 2015, but maybe Noel knew then he was leaving in a year and wanted (rightly) to let the new AD make the hire. 2022 was Archer's best season if only a 2-5 Ivy record.

If it happens, it should happen quickly. It gives the assistants a better chance to find new jobs. And for Archer to find a new role outside Cornell, although his leadership abilities and his years here make him equally suited for a job in athletics or Cornell-elsewhere.

It has happened quickly; official announcement: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership

[RichH]

With the season ended, the most likely outcome is for David Archer to step down as head football coach or be removed. Given his two-decade career with Cornell (including as a player), he might find a second life in athletics or Cornell administration.

The decision will be easier – less hard – to make this year:
* Cornell football lost 3 more games than the best-under-Archer .500 of 2022
* There's a newer, younger athletics director (read: could be building a record at Cornell for a higher position in 5 years, or could be here into the 2040s because Cornell is not a low-level AD's job), one who did not make the hire
* Ten seasons (11 years including the Covid bye year) is a round number, time to take stock
*  The last time it made clear sense to move on was 2018, the second straight 3-7 season and an Ivy record that fell from 3-4 to 2-5. 2019, Cornell had its best ever Archer-era Ivy season (tie for fourth on a 3-4 record). 2020 was the Covid year, not going to make a move then. 2021 was the worst record, 2-8, since 2015, but maybe Noel knew then he was leaving in a year and wanted (rightly) to let the new AD make the hire. 2022 was Archer's best season if only a 2-5 Ivy record.

If it happens, it should happen quickly. It gives the assistants a better chance to find new jobs. And for Archer to find a new role outside Cornell, although his leadership abilities and his years here make him equally suited for a job in athletics or Cornell-elsewhere.

It has happened quickly; official announcement: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership

Someone please check on Ken711. I fear the excitement may have caused him to pass out.