Cornell lacrosse 2024

[billhoward]

Details on the 2024 Inside Lacrosse All-America team. CJ Kirst first team, Michael Long HM. Ivies first team AA: A Matt Brandau, Yale; D Brendan Lavelle, Penn. Penn goalie Emmet Carroll second-team. Former Cornell goalie Chayse Ierlan is HM at Johns Hopkins.

Of interest: Two of the five Tewaaraton finalists (bolded below) are second-team AA.


First Team
A   Brennan O'Neill   Duke
A   Matt Brandau   Yale
A   CJ Kirst   Cornell
M   Evan Plunkett   Army
M   Mikey Weisshaar   Towson
M   Shane Knobloch   Rutgers
FO   Will Coletti   Army
SSDM   Beau Pederson   Michigan
SSDM   Ben Ramsey   Notre Dame
LSM   Jake Piseno   UAlbany
D   Ajax Zappitello   Maryland
D   Scott Smith   Johns Hopkins
D   Brendan Lavelle   Penn
G   Liam Entenmann   Notre Dame

Second Team
A   Connor Shellenberger Virginia
A   Pat Kavanagh   Notre Dame
A   TJ Malone   Penn State
M   Jake Stevens     Syracuse
M   Andrew McAdorey   Duke
M   Devon McLane   Notre Dame
FO   Justin WietfeldtMichigan
SSDM   Grant Haus   Penn State
SSDM   Chase Yager   Virginia
LSM   Stephen Zupicich Villanova
D   Kenny Brower   Duke
D   Cole Kastner   Virginia
D   Billy Dwan   Syracuse
G   Emmet Carroll   Penn

Third Team
A   Joey Spallina   Syracuse
A   Sam King   Harvard
A   Chris Kavanagh   Notre Dame
M   Alexander Vardaro Georgetown
M   Griffin Schutz    Virginia
M   Eric Dobson   Notre Dame
FO   Alec Stathakis   Denver
SSDM   Dylan Hess   Georgetown
SSDM   Brett Martin   Johns Hopkins
LSM   Will Donovan   Notre Dame
D   Colby Barsz   Towson
D   Shawn Lyght   Notre Dame
D   AJ Pilate   Army
D   Mason Woodward    Marquette
G   Jack Fracyon   Penn State

Honorable Mention
A   Michael Boehm   Michigan
A   Payton Cormier   Virginia
A   Louis Perfetto   Boston U
A   Coulter Mackesy   Princeton
A   Jacob Angelus   Johns Hopkins
A   Nick DeMaio   Towson
A   Garrett Degnon   Johns Hopkins
A   Michael Long   Cornell
A   Dalton Young   Richmond
A   Brayden Mayea   High Point
M   Matt Collison   Johns Hopkins
M   Max Krevsky   Yale
M   Jordan Faison   Notre Dame
M   Jacob Morin    Army
M   Michael Leo   Syracuse
M   Hunter Drouin   Colgate
M   Chad Palumbo   Princeton
M   Jake Cates   Boston U
M   Ryan Donnery   Quinnipiac
FO   Nathan Laliberte   Bryant
FO   Mason Kohn   Syracuse
FO   Will Lynch   Notre Dame
FO   Luke Wierman   Maryland
FO   Machado Rodriguez   Yale
FO   Brady Wambach   North Carolina
FO   Jake Naso   Duke
SSDM   Tucker Garrity   Jacksonville
SSDM   Jackson Peters   Navy
SSDM   Jack Pilling   Richmond
SSDM   Reece Potter   Towson
SSDM   Carter Rice   Syracuse
SSDM   Aidan Maguire   Duke
SSDM   Casey Wilson   Denver
SSDM   Patrick Hackler   Yale
LSM   Roy Meyer   Boston U
LSM   Tyler Carpenter   Duke
LSM   Max Yates   Colgate
D   Richard Checo   Lehigh
D   Colin Mulshine   Princeton
D   Marcus Hudgins   Ohio State
D   Alex Ross   Penn State
D   Chris Conlin   Notre Dame
D   Jackson Bonitz    Navy
D   Jimmy Freehill   Denver
D   Ty Banks   Georgetown
D   Levi Verch   Saint Joseph's
D   Michael Bath   Princeton
D   Nikko DiPonio   Utah
G   Will Mark   Syracuse
G   Mike Gianforcaro   Princeton
G   Zach Vigue   Richmond
G   Chayse Ierlan   Johns Hopkins

[billhoward]

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

One thing to ponder about the 2024 Ivy League Tournament is if we hadn't lost Chayse Ierlan (HM All-America this year) as a grad transfer to Hopkins, we might have won the ILT and been in the NCAAs this year. And if last year we hadn't lost, who was it? must have been someone, to play elsewhere in 2023, we might not have had that embarrassing first round NCAA OT loss to Michigan.

And then in hockey we lost the services of Jack Malone to BC and he winds up playing against Denver in the 2024 NCAA title game, the same Denver we narrowly lost to in the NCAA regionals.

It's always going to be something. We have enough coulda-woulda-shoulda hindsight observations about why Cornell teams were screwed. Covid / fifth-year / grad transfer rules just give us more to complain about.

[ugarte]

Here's the thing: everyone here KNOWS about the grad transfer/scholly/NIL/academic index issues that we will face. Complaining about them is like whining about the rain in Seattle. The entire point of rooting for an Ivy is that you do it in the face of these obstacles. We are not going to win very often as a result! What we do in spite of the obstacles is pretty damn impressive.

I don't have any particular attachment to not letting players finish their NCAA eligibility as grad students but I do have an attachment to not being a squad of mercenaries. I know what it costs. I know that there's an element of elite smugness about it. I'm fine with the price.

[abmarks]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.


Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows.  Smh.

That's easy—he'll be all over NIL

That'd be perfect. For those scoring at home, it's now

scoop85 1 - bearlover....NIL

He'll get shutout every time

[abmarks]

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

One thing to ponder about the 2024 Ivy League Tournament is if we hadn't lost Chayse Ierlan (HM All-America this year) as a grad transfer to Hopkins, we might have won the ILT and been in the NCAAs this year. And if last year we hadn't lost, who was it? must have been someone, to play elsewhere in 2023, we might not have had that embarrassing first round NCAA OT loss to Michigan.

And then in hockey we lost the services of Jack Malone to BC and he winds up playing against Denver in the 2024 NCAA title game, the same Denver we narrowly lost to in the NCAA regionals.

It's always going to be something. We have enough coulda-woulda-shoulda hindsight observations about why Cornell teams were screwed. Covid / fifth-year / grad transfer rules just give us more to complain about.

If anyone's going to root for an ivy and get emotionally invested in competing for NCAA titles, they need to accept the limitations or be forever miserable.

There is literally zero unfairness at play here whatsoever. That's whiny snowflake cucky beta brat speak for "I didn't get my new toy I wanted" (stomp foot) "but the rich kid down the street always gets the newest PlayStation"

No one is forcing us to be Cornell fans. We all have made that choice.   If you want to cheer on a team that's on a "level playing field" there are literally hundreds of other schools to get behind.

Just enjoy the ride.  I guarantee that if/when we win another major NCAA title (Lax, or even moreso MIH) it will be so much more impactful and memorable than if you grew up a BC or Denver fan.

Just ask a Cubs or Red Sox fan what the ride was like the year they finally won the world series, and compare to the reaction of a Patriots fan after Super Bowl Trophy # 6, or a Yankee fan from one of those ridiculous runs they went on.

And before you reject that thesis, science will out.  Turns out that the pleasure we get from wins or long awaited milestones isn't from the finally achieving the mark.  The dopamine rush comes from the *anticipation* of the event, not the event itself.

[BearLover]

Nah. The difference between fifth year COVID eligibility and other limitations that have burdened Ivy sports in the past is that this one is new, and it's going away after next year. Cornell has managed to compete with the blue bloods of hockey and lacrosse despite the lack of scholarships and other historical limitations, but this is yet a new significant limitation placed on top of the existing ones. These burdens are cumulative: each additional one hurts us more than the prior baseline.

So yes, the Ivies have been limited in many ways historically, but it's reasonable to infer cause and effect from a *new* restriction that directly benefits our opponents. By the way, I do NOT blame our loss to Penn on this, since they are subject to the same rules. I DO think the COVID fifth year cost us the NCAAs this season, though. Just because there are a bunch of pre-existing rules hurting the Ivies doesn't mean that each additional such rule doesn't hurt us even more.

Also, I just want Cornell to win. I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year than see them miss the frozen four for the 21st year in a row. When the Cubs won the World Series, that was obviously more meaningful to their fans than the Yankees winning. But this comparison is premised on the Cubs ever winning the World Series in the first place. We have no idea if Cornell is ever again going to win a championship in lacrosse or hockey.

[mike1960]

Had the IVY had no tourney Cornell gets in

Had we beaten Penn -- a team we should have beaten -- we would have been in the tournament.

[ugarte]

I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...

i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).

[Scersk '97]

I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...

i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).

I have always been mystified by this rule: what Ivy graduate admissions committee is going to let someone in who is academically unqualified? Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals. The faculty would be hurting itself.

[mike1960]

Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.

Not true.

[David Harding]

I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...

i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).

I have always been mystified by this rule: what Ivy graduate admissions committee is going to let someone in who is academically unqualified? Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals. The faculty would be hurting itself.

There's a huge difference between a 1- or 2-year masters degree program and a multi-year, research-oriented PhD program.

[Scersk '97]

Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.

Not true.

To which I would say, perhaps hyperbole but sometimes very true.

[Scersk '97]

There's a huge difference between a 1- or 2-year masters degree program and a multi-year, research-oriented PhD program.

Sure. I could see a b-school playing ball. I still find it unlikely, because it requires heading toward collusion and the professors I know have a difficult time agreeing on which pizza place to order from.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-supreme-court-issues-a-5-4-decision-on-where-to-order-lunch

[mike1960]

Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.

Not true.

To which I would say, perhaps hyperbole but sometimes very true.

There are other words that will work as well as "hyperbole."

[Local Motion]

I think one player for Cornell who deserves mention is freshman Luke Gilmartin #77.   I think he was forced into the short-stick defensive midfield position early due to injuries or lack of depth at that position.   Regardless "Gilly" really stepped up this season.   He's tough, fast, and has a big motor.   His father Robert played for Cornell back in the mid-80's.   Defensive mid-fielders don't get a lot of press, but Luke Gilmartin has been a great addition to this program.   Go Big Red!!!