Cornell lacrosse 2024

[mike1960]

Cornell wins the game, 15-10, and sole possession of the Ivy League title.
 

Nice job with the defense. We kept Green from the top side and pushed them down the alleys. We also sent a slider to pick up pretty quick. I also like that we sent a double when the ballcarrier turned his back. That's a recipe for a turnover, and I think we got a couple from that. Too bad about the final three Green goals at the end. 7 is a lot better than 10 for a defense, but good job nonetheless!

Subs in the last regular season game to get some playing time.  Last 3 goals less important than that experience for the players and their families.  I remember when my kid was rookie goalie in as a sacrificial lamb.  Worth every moment!

Thanks! Probably great for team morale. The backups put in the work too.

[billhoward]

Right! The Omar Kanjis of the lacrosse world work just as hard as the starters and the stars. If their parents and siblings and girlfriend see them in a game for 5 minutes, it is worth a lot. I think it ripples back to the recruiting candidates about which are the teams you want to play for. And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.

[CU77]

I'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.

How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?

1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.

[Swampy]

Right! The Omar Kanjis of the lacrosse world work just as hard as the starters and the stars. If their parents and siblings and girlfriend see them in a game for 5 minutes, it is worth a lot. I think it ripples back to the recruiting candidates about which are the teams you want to play for. And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.

Not to mention the fact that today's non-starters are tomorrow's starters. Lacrosse is a sport in which hard work and increased understanding pays off with significant player improvement.

[upprdeck]

Win 1 game and they are in.

Lose 1 game and who knows

G-town/yale/princ/penn are all playing for 2 spots if Cornell wins game 1.

Who ever loses princ/yale is probably out.

Still Cornell losing to Penn is bad.

Probably best if Yale wins the thing if Cornell doesnt.

[BearLover]

I'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.

How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?

1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.

I think there are 18 slots now, rather than 17.

If the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.

[scoop85]

I'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.

How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?

1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.

I think there are 18 slots now, rather than 17.

If the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.

I believe "margin of victory" is not included in the tournament selection criteria, which is what it's not considered.

[billhoward]

If the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.

The 2024 NCAA tournament bracket diagram shows one early-round bracket, sort of like the basketball play-in or (for a year before they were hooted down) the "first round" which then made it a seven-round tournament.

For 2024 D1 lacrosse, two teams play in that round-before-first round, one team advances into the round of 16, and the loser is the 17th team. Those two teams are described as two autobid teams that have low RPIs. If that is the case, then it is 17 teams, I believe.

This little growth on the bracket in the upper left is the play-in or round-before-first bracket.

[Trotsky]

And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.

I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.

[BearLover]

So, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?

[Swampy]

And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.

I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.

Look at recent years to see which guys majored in business and went on to work on Wall Street. Then go back and eliminate the ones who started during their last year as a player. And you'll have a pretty good answer to your question.

[CU77]

So, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?

Official criteria are pretty goofy (see below), and IMO they are not preferable to straight RPI. Also the committee usually seems to start with straight RPI anyway and then muck around from there, since the official criteria are essentially incomprehensible. But it used to be much worse: prior to 2009, "strength of schedule" was officially the most important criterion, and Cornell was often screwed by that (2007 being particularly egregious, and in fact the impetus for the later change).

DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
   -  Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+      
   -  Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
   -  Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
   -  Results versus common opponents.
   -  Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
   -  Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).

https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I

[billhoward]

That last item, "input from the regional advisory committee," might translate to "wild card factor not subject to hard and fast rules."

[mike1960]

That last item, "input from the regional advisory committee," might translate to "wild card factor not subject to hard and fast rules."

= gut feeling.

[billhoward]

... that is, something the committee feels that doesn't track with RPI or WL or other hard stats. It's good that this is one check on criteria bound into the square box of The Ranking Rules. Except that 50 years ago it was that gut feeling that kept Cornell from winning the final polls-not-playoffs of the late 1960s and then in 1971 when it was a playoff, Cornell won.