Cornell lacrosse 2024

[BearLover]

So, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?

Official criteria are pretty goofy (see below), and IMO they are not preferable to straight RPI. Also the committee usually seems to start with straight RPI anyway and then muck around from there, since the official criteria are essentially incomprehensible. But it used to be much worse: prior to 2009, "strength of schedule" was officially the most important criterion, and Cornell was often screwed by that (2007 being particularly egregious, and in fact the impetus for the later change).

DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
   -  Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+      
   -  Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
   -  Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
   -  Results versus common opponents.
   -  Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
   -  Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).

https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I

These criteria are extremely goofy and frankly unfair. RPI already factors in nearly all of these things. It is a function of SOS and winning percentage. Therefore, for the committee to double-count these criteria (SOS, record against teams of a certain rank, etc.) is totally nonsensical.

Also, let's say Cornell and Penn both play the #1, #30, #31, and #60 teams. Penn beats #1 and #60 and loses to #30 and #31. Cornell's outcomes are the exact opposite. RPI weights these results as equal, as it should. But from the above criteria, the committee would say Penn's record is more impressive, because they had a "significant win" and Cornell had a "significant loss." This is absurd! They played the exact same schedule and both went 2-2.

Balancing these various criteria is
 impossible and, as you say, how to weight each criteria is incomprehensible.

I guess I shouldn't take for granted the fact that making the NCAA hockey tournament is totally objective.

[upprdeck]

Everything I read Cornell wins and they are in
Lose and We are better off with Yale winning game 1 to have a chance to get in.

[billhoward]

And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.

I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.

Look at recent years to see which guys majored in business and went on to work on Wall Street. Then go back and eliminate the ones who started during their last year as a player. And you'll have a pretty good answer to your question.

I don't know as it's that's cold and transactional: You admit my barely competitive kid, we'll be generous. Athletes are competitive and that can extend to their business careers. A lot go to Wall Street, some wind up doing well, some of the some are generous to their alma mater. Others may also provide college internship opportunities that give them a leg up going into the business world. It's not just athletics. The band I believe has out of its way to help band undergrads find internships and jobs. The Daily Sun has tried to help undergrad journalists but there are few riches to be had in that field.

[George64]

Interesting article about Chayse Ierlan '22 and his itinerant brother.

[billhoward]

Five finalists for the men's and women's Tewaaraton Trophy. A couple weeks ago there was discussion that Notre Dame's Pat Kavanagh and Cornell's seemed the front-runners. The list of finalists out May 9 has Kavanagh but not Kirst.

Kirst had 45G, 22A, 67Pts in 14 games, or 4.8 ppg. He had a reasonable 4-3–7 in the season ending game at Dartmouth but only 0-1-1 in the Ivy tournament loss to Penn. Kirst is listed as a senior but with his 2021 (freshman) season cancelled to Covid, he's only played 3 years for Cornell.


Men's Tewaaraton Finalists
Matt Brandau, Yale
Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame
Brennan O'Neill,  Duke
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia

Women's Tewaaraton Finalists
Chase Boyle, Loyola
Ellie Masera, Stony Brook
Izzy Scane, Northwestern
Madison Taylor, Northwestern
Jackie Wolak, Notre Dame

[billhoward]

NCAA first round weekend of 5/11/24

[edit add:] Notes on the weekend: All 8 top seeds won. Closest were two Sunday games by margins of 3, Hopkins over Lehigh but game in doubt most of the way, Georgetown over Penn State, Towson led Syracuse 9-8 at the half and it wasn't until the third quarter there was more than a one-goal lead; in the last 20 minutes Towson imploded and/or Syracuse got lucky on every ground ball / loose ball / errant pass. I thought Princeton was on a roll after the ILT weekend but fell apart against the Terps.

Only one Northeast team survives to the quarterfinals, plus midwest Notre Dame and Rocky Mountain Denver. For sure there'll be The South Has Risen stories from secessionist-state newspapers.

All four top seeds won Saturday. The Ivies' only  hope, Princeton, got doubled by Maryland, 16-8. Princeton's Coulter Mackesey held to a goal and 2 assists; goalie Michael Gianforcaro was 36% on saves.

Code Select Expand

[b]Saturday[/b]
St. Joseph's at Virginia  [b]Virginia 17-11[/b]
Utah at Duke              [b]Duke 19-7[/b]
Michigan at Denver        [b]Denver 16-11[/b]
Princeton at Maryland     [b]Maryland 16-8[/b]

[b]Sunday[/b]
Lehigh at Hopkins         [b]Hopkins 13-10[/b] close most of the way
Penn State at Georgetown  [b]Georgetown 12-9[/b]
Albany at Notre Dame      [b]ND 14-9[/b]
Towson at Syracuse        [b]Syracuse 20, Towson 15[/b] (Towson 9-8, Orange by 8 or 9 in 4th)

[Friday comments:] If Princeton gets past Maryland (Go Tigers), it likely plays Duke. Like Cornell and its 2022 improbable run to the title game against Maryland, Princeton is in the opposite bracket against favorite Notre Dame. The NCAA official bracket may be a little confusing. The upper bracket with 1-seed ND is on the left, not across the top, and the lower bracket with #2 Duke is the right side. On the printable version, it's clearer, with Princeton and Duke et al across the bottom.

[George64]

Five finalists for the men's and women's Tewaaraton Trophy. A couple weeks ago there was discussion that Notre Dame's Pat Kavanagh and Cornell's seemed the front-runners. The list of finalists out May 9 has Kavanagh but not Kirst.

Have to think, almost getting shutout against Penn, really hurt.  He'll be back next year, and that a hopefully healthy Mike Long and a more mature Ryan Goldstein will put him over the top.

[upprdeck]

Princeton looked awful yesterday vs Maryland

At least in BB in the top leagues a bad final game doesnt knock you out of the playoffs like Lax does

Had the IVY had no tourney Cornell gets in

Much like Mich some how got hot for 2 games won the B10 and got in without being that good most of the year.

[BearLover]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

[Iceberg]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.

[BearLover]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

[billhoward]

Nervous fan on fanlax.com, worried about their well-being attending the Lehigh at Hopkins lax game Sunday. Protesters and all on campus.

https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5023&start=20
Post by laxfanatic » Fri May 10, 2024 1:40 pm
Re: #3 Hopkins vs Lehigh Sunday @ noon
I am going to the game on Sunday and according to news reports there are protesters on the JHU campus.
Is there any concern as to where they are or will the prevent or delay me from getting into the stadium?

hopfan16:
No, they are (peacefully) camped out and contained on the Beach, which is nowhere near Homewood Field. You're fine.

Phew. Close one.

[Ken711]

Kirst, Long Named Inside Lacrosse All-Americans.

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Senior attackmen CJ Kirst and Michael Long each found a spot on the 2024 Inside Lacrosse Media All-American list. Kirst repeated on the first team, matching his 2023 recognition, and Long earned his first Inside Lacrosse All-American nod as an honorable mention.

Kirst and fellow attackman Long are the only two players in the nation to rank in the top 13 in Division I in points per game and play at the same school. Long finished the season ranked fifth nationally, averaging 5.00 points per game. Long's shot percentage ranked 20th nationally, scoring on .441 percent of his rockets. No. 1 ranks eighth in the Cornell record books in career assists, posting 84 to date.

[abmarks]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.


Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows.  Smh.

[scoop85]

Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.

But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.

Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.

One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).

Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.


Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows.  Smh.

That's easy—he'll be all over NIL