Cornell football 2023

[Ken711]

Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

[mike1960]

Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

[Trotsky]

Buck Showalter shouldn't have been fired because the players underperformed.

I buy this one, because Buck didn't decide to raid Assisted Living for our pitching staff.  He was IMO the very least of our many problems and I approved of the way he was bringing the babies along.

But he was also one year out from 101 wins, not on a decade-long sub-500 streak.  Archer certainly deserved to take the train.

[marty]

Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

Look at the bright side.  If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.

[Ken711]

Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

Look at the bright side.  If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.

LOL.  And that's how the Cornell athletic PR department would spin it.  Seriously, there is not an active coach in all of FCS college football that has had such a long run of losing seasons.  Nicki Moore needs to inject some life into the football program and finally let Archer go.

[tycho]

Seems to me no matter Archer's record, the PR angle of an unexpected victory against a favored opponent is what keeps him around. Or perhaps it's the path of least resistence for a program with such a low bar for supposed success. In either case, I certainly feel led to believe one "upset" and maybe three or four other wins en route to "beating" the mark set by a preseason poll that perennially buries Cornell is all that is expected of Archer and a program whose ceiling is five wins under a guy who's never seen anything more. I've enjoyed watching Wang et al. make some exciting plays this year towards a couple of suprising wins. But that's Ivy League football -- Cornell beats Brown beats Princeton beats Harvard beats Cornell. Go figure. Leads me to believe Big Red football's not as far off the mark as the records suggest, but it will take an expectations level-set. And that starts with cutting Archer loose and not treating football as an obligatory historical vestige of League membership. Just the modest 2c of an alumnus who enjoys a crisp fall afternoon at the Crescent as much as anyone.

[Local Motion]

I was not at the Princeton game on Saturday as we had another family commitment.   However, I have a good friend who was an All-Ivy League player at Princeton and he volunteers helping local student-athletes in the Chicago area who want to study and play Ivy League sports.   His son played lacrosse at Princeton, although very short lived due to two ACL injuries in a row.    Meanwhile his daughter ran track at Cornell and loved it.  After Princeton beat Cornell I asked him what he thinks of our football program and here's his answers.

1. The word is out your coaching staff has had an ongoing losing record and tough to convince top recruits to play at Cornell given the results over the past ten plus years.
2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section.   Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
3. Princeton's visiting locker-room at Schoellkopf is terrible which gives other Ivy coaches ammunition not to send players to Cornell.
4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies.   His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.  


Anyway that is his summation for whatever it's worth.  Go Big Red!

[tycho]

4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies.   His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.

Had a friend close to the program once tell me that this was the reason many recruits who were supposedly otherwise interested ended up at HYP. I expect the rationale extends beyond admissions and financial aid in actuality, but it sure as hell wouldn't help.

[upprdeck]

There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

[RichH]

There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

A lot of neglect can happen in 25 years is a conclusion one can make.

[billhoward]

Good points. From another vantage point:

If Schoellkopf's visitor locker rooms suck for visiting football players, well, tough, that's a good reason to go to Cornell.

De facto if not de jure, the visitors sit on the far (away from campus; scoreboard side) end of Schoellkopf Field, between the 20- and 40-yard lines. With an attendance of 5525 and a Schoellkopf Crescent capacity of 21,500, there's little chance the Princeton fans felt crowded by Cornell masses.

Is the confusion about Dyson School the part about "why is it so hard to get in to?" that's because the admit rate is lower than the College of Arts & Sciences. A lot of disappointed applicants.

That is not to say Schoellkopf is not aging less than gracefully. It is one of the dozen oldest college football stadiums although Franklin Field, Harvard Stadium and Yale Bowl are older. With the 100th anniversary of Schoellkopf Field coming up, there'll likely be discussion about its condition.

Princeton's new stadium (1997) is a model for what a college football stadium should be including that it's so close to campus that (in Princeton's words), "it stands as an extension of the campus, integrated into the daily life of the University. The stadium concourses are always open, and the facility has served as a meeting and banquet place for many constituents."

[Trotsky]

There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

I assume it's just favoritism.  If you have alumni pre$$$ence, you get goodies.  Otherwise, we remember we're an Ivy.

Did 2010 change the world for Cornell hoops?  Were they able to monetize that, or did they immediately sink right back into the well?

[RichH]

There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

I assume it's just favoritism.  If you have alumni pre$$$ence, you get goodies.  Otherwise, we remember we're an Ivy.

Did 2010 change the world for Cornell hoops?  Were they able to monetize that, or did they immediately sink right back into the well?

A coach did, I know that.

[mike1960]

2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section.   Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.

Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.

[tycho]

Princeton's new stadium (1997) is a model for what a college football stadium should be including that it's so close to campus that (in Princeton's words), "it stands as an extension of the campus, integrated into the daily life of the University. The stadium concourses are always open, and the facility has served as a meeting and banquet place for many constituents."

The point is well-received, though the UofM for instance would probably take issue with keeping the concourses of Michigan Stadium perpetually open for various logistical reasons. The UofM also boasting a football program, of course, that can support a behemoth facility solely dedicated to it. I like the multi-purpose event space angle as justification for construction of a new football stadium at a smaller college or university (or one with a less lucrative football program), however, to more closely align the interests and goals of the program and those of the university.