Cornell @ Boston University, Jan. 14, 2023 - GAME TIME IS 4PM

[BearLover]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

Once the five-year COVID eligibility rule goes away in two years, whether a player can transfer without sitting out a year won't matter anymore (for purposes of this discussion). A Cornell hockey player will spend four years at Cornell, and then move on from college hockey. The player will not transfer to BU or somewhere else, because their eligibility is up. We won't have to worry about our seniors spending a fifth year somewhere else, and we won't have to worry about going up against teams with fifth year players. Fifth year players will not exist. The number of years transfers must sit out has nothing to do with it.

[abmarks]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

Once the five-year COVID eligibility rule goes away in two years, whether a player can transfer without sitting out a year won't matter anymore (for purposes of this discussion). A Cornell hockey player will spend four years at Cornell, and then move on from college hockey. The player will not transfer to BU or somewhere else, because their eligibility is up. We won't have to worry about our seniors spending a fifth year somewhere else, and we won't have to worry about going up against teams with fifth year players. Fifth year players will not exist. The number of years transfers must sit out has nothing to do with it.

With one exception.  If you lose a year (or enough of a year) due to injury, then you'll only have used up 3 years of eligibility when you graduate. At pretty much any non-ivy, you could remain at that same school and play the 4th year of eligibility by enrolling in a graduate degree program there.

Ivy players that meet the medical criteria will likely transfer/enroll elsewhere as a grad student to play another year after graduation if they can't figure out a way not to graduate in 4.

[Trotsky]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

Once the five-year COVID eligibility rule goes away in two years, whether a player can transfer without sitting out a year won't matter anymore (for purposes of this discussion). A Cornell hockey player will spend four years at Cornell, and then move on from college hockey. The player will not transfer to BU or somewhere else, because their eligibility is up. We won't have to worry about our seniors spending a fifth year somewhere else, and we won't have to worry about going up against teams with fifth year players. Fifth year players will not exist. The number of years transfers must sit out has nothing to do with it.

After 2025, can players who graduate from an Ivy in 3 years go immediately to grad school at a non-Ivy?

[abmarks]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

Once the five-year COVID eligibility rule goes away in two years, whether a player can transfer without sitting out a year won't matter anymore (for purposes of this discussion). A Cornell hockey player will spend four years at Cornell, and then move on from college hockey. The player will not transfer to BU or somewhere else, because their eligibility is up. We won't have to worry about our seniors spending a fifth year somewhere else, and we won't have to worry about going up against teams with fifth year players. Fifth year players will not exist. The number of years transfers must sit out has nothing to do with it.

After 2025, can players who graduate from an Ivy in 3 years go immediately to grad school at a non-Ivy?

They can now. And they'll still be able to in 2025.  The sitout for a year thing is gone permanently.

[upprdeck]

the only difference is that now kids can transfer now without being a grad and not have to sit out. Some kids will get to play 5 yrs instead of 4 for a couple more yrs.

[BearLover]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

Once the five-year COVID eligibility rule goes away in two years, whether a player can transfer without sitting out a year won't matter anymore (for purposes of this discussion). A Cornell hockey player will spend four years at Cornell, and then move on from college hockey. The player will not transfer to BU or somewhere else, because their eligibility is up. We won't have to worry about our seniors spending a fifth year somewhere else, and we won't have to worry about going up against teams with fifth year players. Fifth year players will not exist. The number of years transfers must sit out has nothing to do with it.

After 2025, can players who graduate from an Ivy in 3 years go immediately to grad school at a non-Ivy?

I guess, but that doesn't really change anything because (1) there are very few cases of hockey players graduating early and (2) such a player could just as easily transfer to another school as an undergrad (without having to graduate first). So the no-grad-transfer rule will continue to hurt Cornell, but probably not by much more than it already did.

[Trotsky]

The sitout for a year thing is gone permanently.

Then it becomes a race to gain Segers at least as fast as losing them.  Frankly, the traditional powers are likely better placed for that.  Late developing player arrives at Brown unheralded, has amazing breakout season, and that summer has an epiphany that he'd love to study Hotel Management and just incidentally play on a line that allows him to double his point total.

Now repeat except Brown : Cornell :: Cornell : Minnesota.

[BearLover]

The sitout for a year thing is gone permanently.

Then it becomes a race to gain Segers at least as fast as losing them.  Frankly, the traditional powers are likely better placed for that.  Late developing player arrives at Brown unheralded, has amazing breakout season, and that summer has an epiphany that he'd love to study Hotel Management and just incidentally play on a line that allows him to double his point total.

Now repeat except Brown : Cornell :: Cornell : Minnesota.

I don't think many players are going to be transferring out of Cornell, honestly. Not many players are going to be transferring into Cornell either, though, because they'd be forfeiting their athletic scholarship and because of Cornell's more stringent academic requirements. I predict having to sit out a year is going to help the Minnesotas and Quinnipiacs, but not at the direct expense of Cornell (though it will indirectly hurt Cornell because it will have to beat these teams).

[RichH]

The sitout for a year thing is gone permanently.

Then it becomes a race to gain Segers at least as fast as losing them.  Frankly, the traditional powers are likely better placed for that.  Late developing player arrives at Brown unheralded, has amazing breakout season, and that summer has an epiphany that he'd love to study Hotel Management and just incidentally play on a line that allows him to double his point total.

Now repeat except Brown : Cornell :: Cornell : Minnesota.

I feel our friend Rand Pecknold has made it clear that the door is always open to come and go as you please in Hamden. The number of transfers in and out are dizzying. They've basically established an ECHL team without the academic rigor.

[upprdeck]

I didnt think Hockey players had to sit out a transfer year anyway?  Werent they always like Lax that you could transfer and play ?  Only basket ball and football had the sit out a yr thing before.

[RichH]

I didnt think Hockey players had to sit out a transfer year anyway?  Werent they always like Lax that you could transfer and play ?  Only basket ball and football had the sit out a yr thing before.

"The ability for players to move to another program without having to sit a year — which only applied to men's hockey, men's and women's basketball, football, and baseball before — is expected to open up a season of "free agency" each spring."

https://www.uscho.com/2021/11/02/one-time-transfer-rule-has-changed-the-college-hockey-landscape-but-not-to-everyones-liking/

[Give My Regards]

Because I do stuff like this, I looked up transfers in a old version (2017) of the NCAA Div. I manual.  Here's the start of the section on transferring:

"14.5 Transfer Regulations.
"14.5.1 Residence Requirement—General Principle. A student who transfers (see Bylaw 14.5.2) to a member institution from any collegiate institution is required to complete one full academic year of residence (see Bylaw 14.02.14) at the certifying institution before being eligible to compete for or to receive travel expenses from the member institution (see Bylaw 16.8.1), unless the student satisfies the applicable transfer requirements or qualifies for an exception as set forth in this bylaw."

It doesn't happen very often, but Cornell had a hockey player transfer in from another D-I school back in the 'aughts.  Chris Fontas played the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons at UMass-Lowell, then had to sit out 2005-06 before playing for the Big Red in 2006-07 and 2007-08.

One of the "exceptions" mentioned above is if the school you are enrolled at decides to drop your sport.  This is why Darren Tymchyshyn, who played at U-Illinois-Chicago in 1994-95 and 1995-96, did not have to sit out when he transferred to Cornell for 1996-97 and 1997-98.  UIC announced they were dropping hockey after 1995-96.

[RichH]

Justin Milo also had to sit out a year before joining UVM.

[George64]

One of the "exceptions" mentioned above is if the school you are enrolled at decides to drop your sport.  This is why Darren Tymchyshyn, who played at U-Illinois-Chicago in 1994-95 and 1995-96, did not have to sit out when he transferred to Cornell for 1996-97 and 1997-98.  UIC announced they were dropping hockey after 1995-96.

Going back even further, Goeff Roeszler transferred to Cornell when Penn dropped D1 hockey after the 1977-78 season.  If this name seems familiar, it's because his son Tyler '11 also played for Cornell.
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[Trotsky]

One of the "exceptions" mentioned above is if the school you are enrolled at decides to drop your sport.  This is why Darren Tymchyshyn, who played at U-Illinois-Chicago in 1994-95 and 1995-96, did not have to sit out when he transferred to Cornell for 1996-97 and 1997-98.  UIC announced they were dropping hockey after 1995-96.

Going back even further, Goeff Roeszler transferred to Cornell when Penn dropped D1 hockey after the 1977-78 season.  If this name seems familiar, it's because his son Tyler '11 also played for Cornell.
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I was surprised in my research how many guys we got from that Penn team: Roeszler, Doug Berk, Steve Shandley, Tim Strawman, Tom Whitehead.