Cornell @ Boston University, Jan. 14, 2023 - GAME TIME IS 4PM

[Trotsky]

Malinski continues to own BU

Malinski's the one who misplayed the puck just inside the BU blue line with about 35 seconds left, leading directly to the final goal.

See what happens when you anger the woofing gods?

Posters on the USCHO BU thread were impressed and want him in the portal if/when his Ivy eligibility is used up.

Sometimes I forgot that next year is going to be a 2021-22 redux where all our best players transfer to other teams, and then I'm reminded that we still have two more seasons of this crap before the fifth year eligibility rule goes away.

Is that what is causing it or is it forever?

[BearLover]

Malinski continues to own BU

Malinski's the one who misplayed the puck just inside the BU blue line with about 35 seconds left, leading directly to the final goal.

See what happens when you anger the woofing gods?

Posters on the USCHO BU thread were impressed and want him in the portal if/when his Ivy eligibility is used up.

Sometimes I forgot that next year is going to be a 2021-22 redux where all our best players transfer to other teams, and then I'm reminded that we still have two more seasons of this crap before the fifth year eligibility rule goes away.

Is that what is causing it or is it forever?

All players who were in college at the time of the 2020-21 season were granted a fifth year of athletic eligibility.

[Trotsky]

Malinski continues to own BU

Malinski's the one who misplayed the puck just inside the BU blue line with about 35 seconds left, leading directly to the final goal.

See what happens when you anger the woofing gods?

Posters on the USCHO BU thread were impressed and want him in the portal if/when his Ivy eligibility is used up.

Sometimes I forgot that next year is going to be a 2021-22 redux where all our best players transfer to other teams, and then I'm reminded that we still have two more seasons of this crap before the fifth year eligibility rule goes away.

Is that what is causing it or is it forever?

All players who were in college at the time of the 2020-21 season were granted a fifth year of athletic eligibility.

Right, but (1) I thought the Ivies were reviewing case by case and granting the fifth year in some cases (Andreev) and (2) even with four years, those who graduate early run into the cynical no grad student Ivy Performative Concern bullshit.

So like I said: isn't this forever?  Or do we go back to players having to sit out a year if they transfer after 2025?  Because that will kill it.

Note: it is way better for the players if this is the new normal, it just sucks for the Ivies but then again... self-inflicted due to their loathsome branding posturing, which they can relax any time they want.

[BearLover]

Malinski continues to own BU

Malinski's the one who misplayed the puck just inside the BU blue line with about 35 seconds left, leading directly to the final goal.

See what happens when you anger the woofing gods?

Posters on the USCHO BU thread were impressed and want him in the portal if/when his Ivy eligibility is used up.

Sometimes I forgot that next year is going to be a 2021-22 redux where all our best players transfer to other teams, and then I'm reminded that we still have two more seasons of this crap before the fifth year eligibility rule goes away.

Is that what is causing it or is it forever?

All players who were in college at the time of the 2020-21 season were granted a fifth year of athletic eligibility.

Right, but (1) I thought the Ivies were reviewing case by case and granting the fifth year in some cases (Andreev) and (2) even with four years, those who graduate early run into the cynical no grad student Ivy Performative Concern bullshit.

So like I said: isn't this forever?  Or do we go back to players having to sit out a year if they transfer after 2025?  Because that will kill it.

Note: it is way better for the players if this is the new normal, it just sucks for the Ivies but then again... self-inflicted due to their loathsome branding posturing, which they can relax any time they want.

The rule was that 2020-21 did not count towards anyone's four years of eligibility. Ivy athletes, who did not play that year, still have four total years of eligibility. The limiting factor for Ivy athletes isn't athletic eligibility, but rather the rule forbidding grad student athletes. So Malinski and others have a year of eligibility left, which they could spend at Cornell IF they do not graduate this year. Andreev was able to take a "fifth" (actually fourth) year at Cornell because he did not graduate last year.

In two years, there will be no players remaining who participated in the 2020-21 season, and thus there will be no players remaining with a fifth year of eligibility. Transferring without having to sit out a year will remain the rule going forward, but that doesn't have much to do with the foregoing.

That's my understanding, at least.

[abmarks]

Pwr insanity: women lose 6-1 at home to Q and do not drop even one spot. Men lose like that, on the road, and drops four spots.  Ok sure.

It's.not that we lost one game.  It's the results of ALL games played yesterday.

I don't think any of the pwr calculators let you customize the calculations to pretend that a given game had not yet been played; that's be the only way to know the impact exactly.

[abmarks]

According to chn, we are 15th in the pairwise with 45 comparison wins, but uscho has us at 14, with 47 wins.  It looks like uscho is adjusting rpi for the quality win bonus, while chn is not.

Adam, what's the story?

[marty]

In two years, there will be no players remaining who participated in the 2020-21 season, and thus there will be no players remaining with a fifth year of eligibility. Transferring without having to sit out a year will remain the rule going forward, but that doesn't have much to do with the foregoing.

That's my understanding, at least.

Thus the 5 year Ivies eff themeselves rule will die. But trading for a future Mike Richter or Babe Ruth will be with us in perpetuity.

Hopefully this will not mean Quinnpetuity such that Q becomes the Bronx Bombers of off season trading.

[Trotsky]

Transferring without having to sit out a year will remain the rule going forward, but that doesn't have much to do with the foregoing.

It may not be dependent on the COVID-5 rule, but it is critical.  If the Ivies hold on to their no grad nonsense, and players can transfer with no year off (as they should), then  we are, to use the technical term, fucked harder than a Brown coed at a URI frat party.

Either the Ivies come up with different transparently self-serving brand bullshit, or they cut their own nuts.

[abmarks]

Transferring without having to sit out a year will remain the rule going forward, but that doesn't have much to do with the foregoing.

It may not be dependent on the COVID-5 rule, but it is critical.  If the Ivies hold on to their no grad nonsense, and players can transfer with no year off (as they should), then  we are, to use the technical term, fucked harder than a Brown coed at a URI frat party.

Either the Ivies come up with different transparently self-serving brand bullshit, or they cut their own nuts.

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

[nshapiro]

I just will never understand PWR. You lose on the road to the number 6 team in that fashion and drop 5 spots.  I had the crazy thought that we'd drop maybe one spot.  Just nuts.

It's pretty much just RPI. The key is to separate who you play and the results. Beat BU, lose to [insert meh team] is the same for RPI as lose to BU, beat [insert meh team].

So playing a tough team helps, but that's kind of just a static plus, then there's the loss portion.

I admit to being ignorant of how it factors in, but shouldn't something called a Quality Win Bonus make this untrue?

[BearLover]

Transferring without having to sit out a year will remain the rule going forward, but that doesn't have much to do with the foregoing.

It may not be dependent on the COVID-5 rule, but it is critical.  If the Ivies hold on to their no grad nonsense, and players can transfer with no year off (as they should), then  we are, to use the technical term, fucked harder than a Brown coed at a URI frat party.

Either the Ivies come up with different transparently self-serving brand bullshit, or they cut their own nuts.

No. Players will not desire to transfer from the Ivies in the first place if there is no fifth year of eligibility. They will use up their four years at the Ivy, graduate, and then move on from college hockey.

[jtwcornell91]

Pwr insanity: women lose 6-1 at home to Q and do not drop even one spot. Men lose like that, on the road, and drops four spots.  Ok sure.

It's.not that we lost one game.  It's the results of ALL games played yesterday.

I don't think any of the pwr calculators let you customize the calculations to pretend that a given game had not yet been played; that's be the only way to know the impact exactly.

I used to have one that let you just edit the results file, but I gave it up when (1) they started weighting home and away results and (2) I had kids and it became harder to find the time to tinker with these things.  (I completely gave up trying to update my Perl(!) script that did the selection criteria when they added the shootouts, plus COVID.)

http://elynah.com/tbrw/2014/rankings.diy.shtml

[jtwcornell91]

Yes I get what the theory is but it doesn't make sense. That kind of loss on the road should not hurt that much. I thought quality losses were often better than weak wins.

You do understand that PWR is not a poll, right?  It doesn't matter how close the game was, just who won (and these days, whether it was in regulation, OT, or shootout).  The fact that it was on the road does mean it counts less, but that would also be true if the game was a blowout.

[Trotsky]

I'm confused.  Once this covid 5 yr rule is some away with, players will be back to the standard 4 year eligibility.  I don't see how being able to immediately transfer as a grad student helps anyone except players who had a medical issue, had a year not count for eligibility, and then finish their undergrad degree in 4 and having 1 year remaining of eligibility?

My (likely mis-) understanding is that the rule previously was you could transfer and sit out a year.  So, if you graduated in three years and you wanted to play your fourth year of eligibility, you could go to grad school at say Clarkson, sit out year 4, and play as a grad student in year 5.

If the rule used to be the Ivy no grad student rule meant you could play as a grad student immediately someplace else, since you were not "costing" the Ivy team anything, then yes there is no effect.  But I did not think that was the case.

I could be getting COVID fouled up with the Ivies' grad student idiocy.

[Dafatone]

I just will never understand PWR. You lose on the road to the number 6 team in that fashion and drop 5 spots.  I had the crazy thought that we'd drop maybe one spot.  Just nuts.

It's pretty much just RPI. The key is to separate who you play and the results. Beat BU, lose to [insert meh team] is the same for RPI as lose to BU, beat [insert meh team].

So playing a tough team helps, but that's kind of just a static plus, then there's the loss portion.

I admit to being ignorant of how it factors in, but shouldn't something called a Quality Win Bonus make this untrue?

That's a good point.