Harvard @ Cornell, 12/2/2022

[Give My Regards]

Correct on ECAC standings.

In pairwise, an OT win counts as 0.67 of a win and an OT loss is 0.33, changed from last year's 0.55 and 0.45 .

[Dafatone]

Correct on ECAC standings.

In pairwise, an OT win counts as 0.67 of a win and an OT loss is 0.33, changed from last year's 0.55 and 0.45 .

So we went from OT barely mattering while playing functional hockey overtime to OT mattering some while playing sideshow hockey.

Sounds about right.

[marty]

Correct on ECAC standings.

In pairwise, an OT win counts as 0.67 of a win and an OT loss is 0.33, changed from last year's 0.55 and 0.45 .

So we went from OT barely mattering while playing functional hockey overtime to OT mattering some while playing sideshow hockey.

Sounds about right.

Is there the home/away multiplier this year for ties? I think I knew but have already forgotten.

[Scersk '97]

They always do and they generally underachieve.  Time will tell but Donato can't coach the talent he recruits.

That was true 10 years ago but it's not really true anymore. In the last 7 seasons Harvard has made the NCAAs 5 times and won the ECAC 3 times. Also, the talent on Harvard today is greater than what it was even just a few years ago. Harvard currently has more draft picks than any other program, which has never been true in its history.

That team is so loaded this year that it is amazing Cornell did so well until their score and subsequently in the third period.

The ability to keep them off the site board in the third was amazing in itself.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. They're a 1 2/3 line team with 1 1/2 good senior D and a serviceable goaltender. That the current way games are played—meaning the copious timeouts and the overtime circus—reward them for their lack of depth is an indictment of what has happened to hockey. They lose one of those elements and they're toast.

That being said, I think Teddy is a better coach than he used to be—yes, I said it. He's doing well with what he's got and what he's been given structurally by the game. Harvard also blocks a good many more shots than they used to. But, as I said above, let's see what happens if Coronato (or, worse, Thrun) goes down before the playoffs.

I'm not ready to crown Harvard or Quinnipiac champions of anything yet. We've got a pretty good team too. There's nothing amazing about how we played: we play great defense because we have great players who are very well coached. Any one of our numerous chances—or, to be fair, theirs—goes in and that's a very different game.

It was a tie; it should've remained a tie.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

It was a tie; it should've remained a tie.

^^ This ^^

[upprdeck]

hurts when the combined length of the Harvard goals was about 2 ft.

[Al DeFlorio]

It was a tie; it should've remained a tie.

^^ This ^^

Right.  Hard-fought, even game.  Tie would have been the correct outcome.

[upprdeck]

we need to not lose pucks 15-20 ft out trying to make a good shot better.. and we need to get some of those shots in net.. The Harvard kid lost 5-6 saves that turned into chances because of not handling the puck clean .  We needed more.

[Al DeFlorio]

In addition to all the other Harvard mishegoss, they have three sons of very good NHLers. Who knew they were such students!

Quite a number of NCAA guys the past few years have been the sons of former notable NHLers. Tkachuk, Boucher, Madden, Amonte, and then the three guys they mentioned on Harvard. Heck, Mario Lemieux's son played ASU and was in at least one of the games against Cornell a few years ago! And as we'll see next month, BU's new coach is Jay Pandolfdo, a player I liked when I watched the NHL more often than I do now

Brown women have Jade Iginla, daughter of Jarome (1300 NHL points).  She scored two today, one SHG and one PPG.

[arugula]

In addition to all the other Harvard mishegoss, they have three sons of very good NHLers. Who knew they were such students!

Quite a number of NCAA guys the past few years have been the sons of former notable NHLers. Tkachuk, Boucher, Madden, Amonte, and then the three guys they mentioned on Harvard. Heck, Mario Lemieux's son played ASU and was in at least one of the games against Cornell a few years ago! And as we'll see next month, BU's new coach is Jay Pandolfdo, a player I liked when I watched the NHL more often than I do now

Brown women have Jade Iginla, daughter of Jarome (1300 NHL points).  She scored two today, one SHG and one PPG.

That's great. Loved her dad.

[RichH]

Harvard currently has more draft picks than any other program, which has never been true in its history.

I know you're a draft-hugger, but oh boy I laughed.

I don't have the resources to try to check this if you're referring to all of D1 hockey, but the implication that the Harvard roster has never been stacked with NHL draft picks is just wrong. My first 2 decades of being invested, I've always held Harvard as "loaded with draftees, never plays to that potential." The number of NHL draftees on their roster often hits double-digits and most years and dwarf the number on CU's roster. I blame the Harvard brand for that.

[Scersk '97]

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0203/teamstats/harm

Harvard had more than Minnesota that year and far more than us.

[George64]

Colgate 6 - Harvard 4, so Cornell has a 4 point weekend and Harvard only a 2 pointer.

[BearLover]

Harvard currently has more draft picks than any other program, which has never been true in its history.

I know you're a draft-hugger, but oh boy I laughed.

I don't have the resources to try to check this if you're referring to all of D1 hockey, but the implication that the Harvard roster has never been stacked with NHL draft picks is just wrong. My first 2 decades of being invested, I've always held Harvard as "loaded with draftees, never plays to that potential." The number of NHL draftees on their roster often hits double-digits and most years and dwarf the number on CU's roster. I blame the Harvard brand for that.

That wasn't the implication at all? The point is that Harvard has always gotten a lot of talent, but never to the degree they do today. For example, their frozen four team from 2017 had 8 draft picks. Now they have 15. That is more than every other team in college hockey. Which is insane. Draft picks aren't everything—I'm not a "draft hugger"—but number of draft picks is highly correlated with winning and generally a good proxy for a team's overall talent. The notion that Donato hasn't done anything with his talent hasn't been true for seven years now. You've lost the plot if you think these are the same Harvard teams that we were watching in the early 2010s and if you don't think Harvard's talent has dwarfed the rest of the ECAC's to a degree not seen before.

[Scersk '97]

Dude, Harvard had 13 in 2003. We had 7. None of this is unprecedented.