blackwidow

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Sorry for starting trouble.

[Trotsky]

blackwidow (and to a lesser extent, bearlover) is giving Trotsky a run for his money in the assholery department.

Don't threaten me.

[blackwidow]

blackwidow (and to a lesser extent, bearlover) is giving Trotsky a run for his money in the assholery department.

Having deep concern for and thinking about what's best for Cornell hockey should not be considered being an asshole...

[billhoward]

Judge a man by the foes he's made.

[blackwidow]

Judge a man by the foes he's made.

I thought we were all friends here united in the common goal of making Cornell hockey great for the first time since the start of Mike Schafer's tenure.

[Trotsky]

#ignore

We've seen this movie before.  The troll will go away if it doesn't get attention.

[blackwidow]

#ignore

We've seen this movie before.  The troll will go away if it doesn't get attention.

Just saying 25+ years should've been enough for the team to random walk its way to the NCAA. Whats up with this forum being bent over backwards?

[Robb]

Only 14 teams, 2 ECAC, and 1 Ivy have done it in the last 25 years, so it's a ridiculous assertion to say that any particular team should have pulled it off "by chance."

[blackwidow]

Only 14 teams, 2 ECAC, and 1 Ivy have done it in the last 25 years, so it's a ridiculous assertion to say that any particular team should have pulled it off "by chance."

I do have to acknowledge the stats you quoted show winning the NCAA title in the last 25 years should not have been claimed to be a walk in the park for the majority of the teams in the ECAC.

But Cornell men's hockey started out as the best hockey program in the ECAC. I guess I should have said if you had given me the best hockey school in the ECAC, I would have random walked my way to the NCAA in 25+ years.

[upprdeck]

maybe if the playing field was level they would have won one.. or Covid hadnt happened.

[underskill]

I would say more frozen four appearances would be a fair expectation

[French Rage]

Only 14 teams, 2 ECAC, and 1 Ivy have done it in the last 25 years, so it's a ridiculous assertion to say that any particular team should have pulled it off "by chance."

I do have to acknowledge the stats you quoted show winning the NCAA title in the last 25 years should not have been claimed to be a walk in the park for the majority of the teams in the ECAC.

But Cornell men's hockey started out as the best hockey program in the ECAC. I guess I should have said if you had given me the best hockey school in the ECAC, I would have random walked my way to the NCAA in 25+ years.

"Started out" when?  We're certainly near or at the top of most ECAC metrics over history.  That doesn't mean we enter every season as the prohibitive favorite.  A couple recruiting mishaps might mean you lose a season or two you hoped to do better in.  And even if things do click, which is by no means guaranteed, there are another 11 teams in the ECAC, and 50+ in the NCAAs, for whom it might click even better that year.

Or, you know, Covid might come along and fuck us in the ass.

[blackwidow]

I mean, lets be real. It is understandable now that they arent winning much because way more colleges take college hockey seriously and given the structural disadvantages and comparatively limited resources at cornell, it's tough to recruit guys and whatnot. But, no ecac title since 2010 is kind of unacceptable.

[blackwidow]

Only 14 teams, 2 ECAC, and 1 Ivy have done it in the last 25 years, so it's a ridiculous assertion to say that any particular team should have pulled it off "by chance."

I do have to acknowledge the stats you quoted show winning the NCAA title in the last 25 years should not have been claimed to be a walk in the park for the majority of the teams in the ECAC.

But Cornell men's hockey started out as the best hockey program in the ECAC. I guess I should have said if you had given me the best hockey school in the ECAC, I would have random walked my way to the NCAA in 25+ years.

"Started out" when?  We're certainly near or at the top of most ECAC metrics over history.  That doesn't mean we enter every season as the prohibitive favorite.  A couple recruiting mishaps might mean you lose a season or two you hoped to do better in.  And even if things do click, which is by no means guaranteed, there are another 11 teams in the ECAC, and 50+ in the NCAAs, for whom it might click even better that year.

Or, you know, Covid might come along and fuck us in the ass.

All the boot licking for mike schafer on this forum is over the top. He may very well be the best coach cornell mens team can ever find or whatever but he certainly has never performed any miracles over his lenghty tenure. Has he done a decent job given his limited resources and the awkward position cornell finds itself in? Maybe. Cornell's perennial in the mix. But, we never went far enough and actually won something meaningful in the past two decades

[upprdeck]

there is only X amount a coach can do at any given school.  you can recruit every perfect kid that would be great. That doesnt mean they will come, and that doesnt mean they can get accepted..

Its not just the lack of scholies that hurts.  Location, cost, type of school, degrees offered. It all adds up.