Ertel to OHL

[ithacat]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

[blackwidow]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

Does this mean... hes no longer with us...?

Schafer too Tortorella-like and failing to vibe with the new gen

[scoop85]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

Does this mean... hes no longer with us...?

Schafer too Tortorella-like and failing to vibe with the new gen

Yes, once a player signs with a major junior team, he loses NCAA eligibility

[blackwidow]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

Does this mean... hes no longer with us...?

Schafer too Tortorella-like and failing to vibe with the new gen

Yes, once a player signs with a major junior team, he loses NCAA eligibility

i follow junior hockey and college scene closely but i was so utterly in shock and denial that I just needed someone else to confirm this. im devastated.

[BearLover]

Scores one goal all season, gets scratched from the playoffs, quits the team. Sounds about right.

[scoop85]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

Does this mean... hes no longer with us...?

Schafer too Tortorella-like and failing to vibe with the new gen

Yes, once a player signs with a major junior team, he loses NCAA eligibility

i follow junior hockey and college scene closely but i was so utterly in shock and denial that I just needed someone else to confirm this. im devastated.

While disappointing, we'll survive. "Devastated" is when a loved one dies.

[jkahn]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

I find it interesting that the GM of his OHL team had this to say:
"The level he was playing is as close to pro hockey as you're going to get, when you're playing 24-, 25-year-old guys, and roles are different. What you're going to see when he's playing against kids his own age in our league is he's going to be a much more offensive contributor. He's going to be put into situations where he can succeed. It speaks to his game that he can play anywhere in the lineup."

The OHL used to proudly boast that it was a stronger league than NCAA hockey, but he's saying quite the opposite.

[blackwidow]

Justin Ertel has jumped to the OHL.

I find it interesting that the GM of his OHL team had this to say:
"The level he was playing is as close to pro hockey as you're going to get, when you're playing 24-, 25-year-old guys, and roles are different. What you're going to see when he's playing against kids his own age in our league is he's going to be a much more offensive contributor. He's going to be put into situations where he can succeed. It speaks to his game that he can play anywhere in the lineup."

The OHL used to proudly boast that it was a stronger league than NCAA hockey, but he's saying quite the opposite.

Guess we saw a bit of this line of thinking when some small section of hockey fans thought Eichel may turn out to be as good as Connor McDavid because Eichel was tearing it up in the NCAA against the guys that are much older. Those people were thinking the NCAA was closer to playing pro and hence maybe somewhat more competitive than the OHL in certain aspects (physicality, more of structured game plays, etc)

[dag14]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

[Trotsky]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

[blackwidow]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

I don't know if this is how it is at most other NCAA hockey teams, but i do think that Mike Schafer gets tough on youngsters early on and forces them to buy into the culture of putting the team ahead of everything else. I am not against it or am even remotely qualified enough to say anything bad about it. I just feel like this sort of coaching approach often results in players like Ertel (someone with supposedly high offensive upside and probably used to the team catering to their creative needs) being put off.

[Trotsky]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

I don't know if this is how it is at most other NCAA hockey teams, but i do think that Mike Schafer gets tough on youngsters early on and forces them to buy into the culture of putting the team ahead of everything else. I am not against it or am even remotely qualified enough to say anything bad about it. I just feel like this sort of coaching approach often results in players like Ertel (someone with supposedly high offensive upside and probably used to the team catering to their creative needs) being put off.

Again, maybe.  But (1) we have had plenty of creative/offensive players stay and flourish, and (2) the sine qua non of Schafer teams will always be name on the front > name on the back, so TBH I'd rather they fail fast than linger and cause morale problems.

[blackwidow]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

I don't know if this is how it is at most other NCAA hockey teams, but i do think that Mike Schafer gets tough on youngsters early on and forces them to buy into the culture of putting the team ahead of everything else. I am not against it or am even remotely qualified enough to say anything bad about it. I just feel like this sort of coaching approach often results in players like Ertel (someone with supposedly high offensive upside and probably used to the team catering to their creative needs) being put off.

Again, maybe.  But (1) we have had plenty of creative/offensive players stay and flourish, and (2) the sine qua non of Schafer teams will always be name on the front > name on the back, so TBH I'd rather they fail fast than linger and cause morale problems.

I would argue that we havent had an early/mid round draft pick going on to match the expectations at the time of the draft in recent years though. Of course, we have had plenty of non drafted guys and late round picks that went onto have respectable/amazing careers.

[scoop85]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

I don't know if this is how it is at most other NCAA hockey teams, but i do think that Mike Schafer gets tough on youngsters early on and forces them to buy into the culture of putting the team ahead of everything else. I am not against it or am even remotely qualified enough to say anything bad about it. I just feel like this sort of coaching approach often results in players like Ertel (someone with supposedly high offensive upside and probably used to the team catering to their creative needs) being put off.

Again, maybe.  But (1) we have had plenty of creative/offensive players stay and flourish, and (2) the sine qua non of Schafer teams will always be name on the front > name on the back, so TBH I'd rather they fail fast than linger and cause morale problems.

I would argue that we havent had an early/mid round draft pick going on to match the expectations at the time of the draft in recent years though. Of course, we have had plenty of non drafted guys and late round picks that went onto have respectable/amazing careers.

Stienberg was a 3rd round pick like Ertel and Stienberg had an excellent year in 21-22

[blackwidow]

I don't know anything about Ertel but it also may be that he realized that college was not right for him while trying to prepare for a career playing hockey.  Had he transferred elsewhere in the NCAA you might be able to argue it was because of dissatisfaction with the Cornell program.  The OHL suggests a different motivation.

Maybe.  He certainly did not seem to endear himself to the coaching staff while he was here.

I don't know if this is how it is at most other NCAA hockey teams, but i do think that Mike Schafer gets tough on youngsters early on and forces them to buy into the culture of putting the team ahead of everything else. I am not against it or am even remotely qualified enough to say anything bad about it. I just feel like this sort of coaching approach often results in players like Ertel (someone with supposedly high offensive upside and probably used to the team catering to their creative needs) being put off.

Again, maybe.  But (1) we have had plenty of creative/offensive players stay and flourish, and (2) the sine qua non of Schafer teams will always be name on the front > name on the back, so TBH I'd rather they fail fast than linger and cause morale problems.

I would argue that we havent had an early/mid round draft pick going on to match the expectations at the time of the draft in recent years though. Of course, we have had plenty of non drafted guys and late round picks that went onto have respectable/amazing careers.

Stienberg was a 3rd round pick like Ertel and Stienberg had an excellent year in 21-22

I hope he goes onto have an amazing pro career but I meant among those that went onto play professionally.  Also, I thought Stienberg was somewhat of a surprise 3rd round pick whereas Ertel being a 3rd round pick was more or less in line with the prospect rankings.