Cornell lacrosse 2023

[billhoward]

Loss to Harvard drops Cornell from #4 to #6 in the week 9 polls. Now #7 in RPI.

Media Poll / Insider Lacrosse: 1 ND, 2 Virgina, 3 Duke (minus 2 spots after loss to ND), 4 MD, 5 Penn State, 6 Cornell, 7 Army, 7 tie Hopkins (with 4 losses), 9 Rutgers (+3 beat Michigan in OT), 10 Georgetown. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

RPI: 1 ND, 2 Duke, 3 Virginia, 4 Hopkins, 5 Maryland, 6 Penn State, 7 Cornell, 8 Georgetown, 9 NC, 10 Denver. Marquette, Tuesday's opponent for Cornell, is 40th (vs. Also Got Votes, but so is Harvard this week after beating us 10-8) and Army is 19.  https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

USILA media poll. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

[edit add:] The USILA / coaches' poll (bottom of post), which seems to come a day late (were the coaches-when-students this way handing in undergrad papers?) has Cornell one notch lower. This would be the only poll in the late sixties when Cornell was always below at least one school sometimes three at season's end. Every year save one with 1 or 0 losses, 1967-1970.

[Trotsky]

Is the Maryland Mafia still a thing?

Spiro Agnew may be dead and gone, but, yes, I believe there's an active conspiracy, headquartered somewhere in Baltimore, to protect the cherished originals of the sport. MTG would back me up.

Hopkins, Navy, Army, Maryland and Virginia won every lacrosse title 1954-1970 when it was a poll, including five years when it was a two- or three-way. There is a persistent belief among many (read: among schools not of the inner circle) that Cornell might have won one or two national titles had there been a playoff five years earlier, in the Harkness (yes, coached two sports) and Richie Moran-early years. Cornell went 12-0 (previous year: 4-7), 11-1, 12-0, 8-3 and 11-0, virtually all losses were in one of the first games.

To this five-school inner circle, add add North Carolina and Duke. All slave-owning states except Army. Once it became a playoff, Cornell won three of the next seven on the field. The most successful schools since then, measured by titles or final four appearances, would be Syracuse (10 titles 1988-2009 plus 1983) and Princeton (6 titles 1992-2001):  

The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or a Big Ten school such as Penn State.

I thought the contemporary symptom was the Wall Street Lax Mafia and that Princeton, Yale and Cornell were full on charter Douche Bros.

[Robb]

The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or a Big Ten school such as Penn State.

I guess Hopkins (1987, 2005, 2007) counts as one of "those Big 10 schools?"  (Joined B1G in 2014)

[billhoward]

Sorry if my typing was confusing. In terms of post-1970 successes, Hopkins would be one of the noted "five-school inner circle" that continued to win but not at the pace of the polls-determine-champions years.

Actually, that power five has gotten little support from the service academies: Army never made it to the finals in the playoff years but did host Cornell in the first year in the semifinals and lost 17-16. Yes, epic game. Navy has been to the title game twice and lost. Maryland had a 42-year drought before winning.

Table below shows the playoff years. Syracuse has won 11 title games (the 1990 game was erased because of some 1990s-style scandal involving one of the Gaits). Hopkins has been to the most title games, 18, and is only .500, with a 17-year gap until 2005 and then nothing the past 15 years. Princeton had the most amazing string of titles in the 1990s, 5, plus 2001. Cornell as we know now s the longest gap without a title.

Via: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Lacrosse_Championship

[dag14]

Horrible camera work this afternoon.  So far it is almost impossible to follow what is going on.

[upprdeck]

Nice to see Long back..

[mike1960]

I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

[Al DeFlorio]

I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

Yes

[mike1960]

I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

Yes

Good to hear!

[CU77]

Yes, great ball movement, picture-perfect offense

[mike1960]

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

[upprdeck]

army is a big game in case we have an issue down the stretch in the Ivies.  The way things are breaking the IVY might be a 1 bid team and we wont get much help from the league wins if we dont win the tourney.

[CU77]

Army is currently RPI #19. For comparison, Yale is #11, Penn #12, OSU #14 (and Cornell is #6).

Cornell needs to keep winning to avoid being Duked. (Last year, Duke was RPI #8 and did not get a bid.)

[upprdeck]

Lax doesnt go just by RPI like hockey does, Army is ranked #7.  

OSU is under .500 now. Penn us under .500. Yale on the edge. Princeton under .500

We wont have many quality wins the way its going.

[scoop85]

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.