Cornell lacrosse 2023

[Swampy]

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.

[scoop85]

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.

Yes, that would put enormous pressure on opposing defenses. Quite a tantalizing prospect.

[upprdeck]

if you can preserve Long and win without showing all your tricks thats a good thing as well..  Whatever his issues are now they dont look to be leg related.  No braces or tape on the legs.

[billhoward]

We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

[semsox]

We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.

[billhoward]

We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.

Speaking of which, hockey loses Jack Malone (Delbarton Prep, NJ) because he's a senior this year but has a year of eligibility left. CJ Kirst (Delbarton Prep, NJ) is a lacrosse senior next year but I believe he has a year of eligibility left. Do we lose him for his fourth and best year for spring 2025 lacrosse? Sheesh, the Ivy League has become a group of feeder schools.

[RichH]

We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.

Speaking of which, hockey loses Jack Malone (Delbarton Prep, NJ) because he's a senior this year but has a year of eligibility left. CJ Kirst (Delbarton Prep, NJ) is a lacrosse senior next year but I believe he has a year of eligibility left. Do we lose him for his fourth and best year for spring 2025 lacrosse? Sheesh, the Ivy League has become a group of feeder schools.

He could plan ahead and do the thing Pannell (and Andreev in hockey) did and just withdraw for a semester and not graduate?? I can't remember how that worked when they knew they had an extra eligibility year.

[nshapiro]

For lacrosse players, wouldn't he just need to take the next two Fall semesters off, and play go to school for the next two springs?

[upprdeck]

You also have the issue of classes you need to take being offered in the spring and the sequence issues sometimes.

[dag14]

Unless the special COVID eligibility rules will apply to CJ, the Ivy League usually requires an academic reason to stay around for a 5th year or 9th semester.  That is where it can get tricky.

[semsox]

Acknowledging we likely won't know with any certainty until late next year, my baseline assumption would be that CJ will use all of his eligibility at Cornell.

[mike1960]

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.

I would like to see what happens with Long at X and Coyle at the wing. With Coyle's excellent speed, he could cause the defense problems by dodging from the wing. Obviously, the coaches know their players, and they know more about lacrosse than I'll ever know. But I remember watching Long operate when he was healthy, and he just seemed like a natural at X. He has great vision, he's accurate with his passes, and doesn't force anything,

[billhoward]

I don't get why grad students are not considered students. It would be up to them to determine if they can manage academic workload, practice, and 7-8 road games a year.

[billhoward]

Should be a decent game at Army, 12 noon start at Michie Stadium, their football field. Army has top-ten wins over Rutgers and Loyola MD. They are essentially tied with Cornell in the rankings except Army's RPI is barely in the top 20. Army plays 4 top-20 teams: Rutgers, Loyola, Cornell, BU. Perhaps the 12-to-13 place discrepancy between Army's RPI and poll numbers is Army's only loss was the season opener, followed by nine wins. Army's last four games have wins by margins of 2 (Lehigh), 5 Loyola (good win), 5 (Bucknell) and 1 (1-7 Colgate).  

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[b]Polls         USILA     Media    RPI    W-L[/b]
Cornell         7         6       7     7-2
Army            6         7      19     9-1

[b]Common Opponents      Lehigh     Colgate[/b]
Cornell               W 12-5     W 11-6 <-- scrimmage 2/11
Army                  W 12-10    W 10-9 <-- game 4/8  

[b]Losses[/b]
Cornell              Penn State, Harvard
Army                 UMass 10-8 (2/11 season opener)

Right now (day before the game) it's 92 degrees, near-cloudless, and a bunch of auto editors are bopping around the West Point area in Hyundai Ioniq 6 EVs (fabulous cars) after overnighting at the Thayer Hotel. Saturday it will be around 70 degrees but a 50% chance of rain. Better for the players.

[RichH]

Should be a decent game at Army, 12 noon start at Michie Stadium, their football field. Army has top-ten wins over Rutgers and Loyola MD. They are essentially tied in the polls except Army's RPI is barely in the top 20. Army plays 4 top-20 teams: Rutgers, Loyola, Cornell, BU.

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[b]Polls         USILA     Media    RPI    W-L[/b]
Cornell         7         6       7     7-2
Army            6         7      19     9-1

[b]Common Opponents      Lehigh     Colgate[/b]
Cornell               W 12-5     W 11-6 <-- scrimmage 2/11
Army                  W 12-10    W 10-9 <-- game 4/8  

[b]Losses[/b]
Cornell              Penn State, Harvard
Army                 UMass 10-8 2/11 season opener

I'm wondering why we aren't having game threads anymore. This thread has now reached 50 pages on the mobile version, and it's not like much else is happening on this board.