Opponents and Others, 2022-23

[Beeeej]

Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations.  Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:

There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

[marty]

Why?  It is quite literally the only good thing about them

The non-gendered alternative is sitting right there! Just like Syracuse has taken to referring to themselves most often as "the Orange," Union can just start referring to themselves as "the Dutch." It's fine. We'll all go on hating them in much the same way as we always have.

Or go with "Garnet" or "Big Garnet." Or the "Chesters."

But what's going to happen is the "branding team" (ugh) is going to come up with some awful "—hawk" alternative and another little piece of distinctive weirdness—not even a bad piece of distinctive weirdness—will fade away.

Too soon I fear we'll be known as "The Red".  Big is such a non-inclusive adjective.  Shouldn't we worry that the likes of Topher, Jack O. and Nick D. might take the name as a micro aggression?

Edit: I'd also be fine with "The Big Red Angry Armenians". ;-)

[Give My Regards]

I think Union should go with "Garnet."  Turns out in long-ago time, garnets and other red gemstones were called "carbuncles."  This seems very appropriate.

[Trotsky]

There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany

The term dates from the 17th century; Das Rhiendick doesn't own it.

[scoop85]

I think Union should go with "Garnet."  Turns out in long-ago time, garnets and other red gemstones were called "carbuncles."  This seems very appropriate.

According to Union's website that was linked above, Union once went by "Garnet" before "Dutchmen" was used by the press (whatever press it was that covered Union back in the day I suppose)

[adamw]

I think it's time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.

I don't think anyone is computing KASA any more, but I wonder how hard it would be for Adam to turn it on for CHN.

Somewhere it IS on. And JTW - if you ever answered any of my emails, we could discuss a bunch of things. ::crazy::

[ursusminor]

Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations.  Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:

There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.

[French Rage]

Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations.  Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:

There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.

Ah THERE'S the random thread drift I come here for.

[jtwcornell91]

Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations.  Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:

There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.

Ah THERE'S the random thread drift I come here for.

Damn, he beat me to it.  But I can add "die fliegenden Holländer*innen" which is how it would usually be written these days.

[ugarte]

importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

[Beeeej]

importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

Okay folks, that's all for eLynah. No post will ever be better. G'night!

[Trotsky]

importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

Okay folks, that's all for eLynah. No post will ever be better. G'night!

A rant in search of a strawman that nobody has posted, but, it hammers the one note we all can reach.

[ugarte]

you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!" sorry if you thought the joke was about you. it was only *in part* about you.

[Trotsky]

you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad.  You can't lose.  AFAIK, the Catholics *did* squeal about references to the Orangemen.  If it's "woke" to object to a bunch of white Brits acting offended then the term which was about recognizing systemic racism and police brutality has lost all meaning.

I see somebody who calls people out but woe betide anyone does it back.

[ugarte]

you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad.  You can't lose.

you're the one talking about "feewings"! listen to yourself! you said you can't keep track of who was offended but now apparently you know damn well who, because you sure didn't sound like you were taking the Catholics' side before! Maybe you need a refresher on which side the Brits are in the whole green/orange thing.

in all of this your biggest crime is the self-delusion that it's other people lacking a sense of humor when it's your joke-writing that's the biggest offense. i may be a hammer, but i work because you're a nail.