Cornell lacrosse 2022

[billhoward]

bball had a jump ball after every score for 50 years.. that doesnt seem to have hurt the sport to get rid of it..

Go back further, the ball was thrown into a backboard-mounted peach basket and had to be retrieved. I worked with a reporter assigned to cover the Tip-Off Classic (college) in Springfield, Mass., and she conflated then and now and wrote that because it was a special game, TOC would be played with peach baskets. (That was caught by copy editors, fortunately.) She interviewed honorary tournament chair Bob Cousy, called him Mister Couszeny and at the interview's end, asked him to relate his relationship to basketball in Massachusetts. Sometimes I weep for the profession.

[George64]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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[George64]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.
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[ugarte]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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if you want to keep the faceoff i think a better remedy is to limit the GO not the FO by having a minimum time on the field after the faceoff. if your FOGO is a liability in the regular flow of the game you'll see the position drift a little towards all-purpose play.

[ugarte]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
.

Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.
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i have no problem with SV in lax. want the ball? win the faceoff or get a turnover.

[Al DeFlorio]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
.

Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.
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i have no problem with SV in lax. want the ball? win the faceoff or get a turnover.

Really disagree.  Too easy to score a goal in lacrosse.  Why not have SV in basketball then?  Win the tip or get a turnover.  SV makes sense in sports where scores are hard to come by, like hockey or even soccer.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

It was '79,  My freshman year.

I vividly remember "1...2...3...4!  We want more...faceoffs!"

And I agree.  Don't eliminate the faceoff.

[BearLover]

The ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

As a casual lacrosse fan, I hate the current faceoff rule. It feels terribly unfair for one position to have such a massive role in determining the outcome, especially when that position is so divorced from everything else going on in the game. It's also very unfun to watch a game where the team you are rooting for receives many fewer possessions than its opponent. I'd prefer the team that got scored on to get the ball. The idea about having to start from behind your own goal is interesting.

[upprdeck]

if a guy takes a FO they he doesnt leave the field until the ball does or  the other team gets it back.  pretty simple.

[CU77]

Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

[Trotsky]

Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not even the casual fans, it's the media and marketing morons who consult on these things, because they lack any imagination and can only cover things one way.

cf. elections

[billhoward]

Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.

Need to restore lax to the initial rule for overtime: team with more goals in 4 minutes of extra play wins, then sudden death. The 1976 championship, Maryland-Cornell, was 12-12 at the end of regulation and Cornell won the overtime 4-1 but Maryland would have won under the present rules.

[billhoward]

Basketball may be the sport that requires the most skill. Height helps.

[billhoward]

Is FOGO most analogous to placekicker?  Short-relief pitching? Baseball has a three-batter minimum before a specialty reliever can be relieved.

[BearLover]

Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not just basketball, it's practically every other sport (football, baseball, tennis, ...) that alternates possession. Lacrosse is the exception.