Cornell lacrosse 2022

[RichH]

Basketball may be the sport that requires the most skill. Height helps.

Not since they stopped spinning the ball on their finger.

Put ball through ring, then repeat 100 times. Yawn.

[David Harding]

Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not just basketball, it's practically every other sport (football, baseball, tennis, ...) that alternates possession. Lacrosse is the exception.

And hockey...

[BearLover]

Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not just basketball, it's practically every other sport (football, baseball, tennis, ...) that alternates possession. Lacrosse is the exception.

And hockey...

True, but in hockey the puck is turned over or up for grabs every 30 seconds or so, and there are about four goals per game.

[billhoward]

True, but in hockey the puck is turned over or up for grabs every 30 seconds or so, and there are about four goals per game.

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Sometimes there are 4 goals in 6 minutes.
[b]12/4/2021, Potsdam[/b]
Cornell        1 1 2 0 0  -- 4
Clarkson 0 0 4 0 0  -- 4

[b]Clarkson, third period[/b]
14:43
17:07
18:27
19:58.8


[CU2007]

I don't follow lacrosse especially closely but see we are 6-0. What type of record would we need to get an at large to the NCAA should we fall short in the Ivy Tourney?

[TimV]

NCAA Faceoff stats 3/21/22

We are 40th of 72 teams, .008 behind Yale, who is 35th (even with the big day against us) and .023 AHEAD of Princeton (who looks to me like the best team in the league) Penn, Harvard, and Brown.  Top team in Ivies for faceoff % is... Dartmouth?!  Even with being dominated last game.  Petraikis was an excellent recruit, as was Psyllos as a fo specialist.  Sometimes one guy, in one game, just has the other guy's number. Where we need to improve is wing play - our wings were repeatedly boxed out.  It's a problem with the unit, not the individual.  And in spite of this, our defense was good enough to defeat a faceoff loss to get the ball back often, and our offense scored enough to stay ahead.  Halftime score was C 8 Y 5 while we were losing FOs by 11-3 including violations.  We'll be all right, especially if we get better wing play.  

I did think a time out should have been called when Yale scored 4 in a row to make it 9-12.

[billhoward]

I don't follow lacrosse especially closely but see we are 6-0. What type of record would we need to get an at large to the NCAA should we fall short in the Ivy Tourney?

If Cornell does not win the Ivy League tournament, it has to be one of the seven best teams not selected. The D1 tournament has 16 spots. Nine teams are in leagues with automatic qualifiers. That leaves 64 other teams (men's D1 has ~73 teams) vying for those nine spots.

These are the NCAA recent selection criteria; there may be some tweaks for 2022. https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships

DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
   -  Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+      
   -  Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
   -  Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
   -  Results versus common opponents.
   -  Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
   -  Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coashes from all AQ conferences).

... the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee will select and seed the top eight teams for the Division I Championship.  The top eight teams will be seeded and separated in the bracket; the remaining eight teams will be placed geographically, without compromising the integrity of the bracket.

I believe that last part means teams 9-16 can be placed so a team that draws well might be closer to home.

[billhoward]

Polls 3/21/22 (week 6) https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2022
Media poll
1. Maryland
2. Princeton (was 3)
3. Viginia (was 2)
4. Cornell no change
5. Georgetown
...
6. Penn (loses by 1 goal to Princeton, no change)
14. Yale (loses by 1 goal to Cornell, -3)
15. Harvard
17. Brown

USILA Poll https://usila.org/news/2022/3/21/mens-lacrosse-usila-dynamic-2022-mens-coaches-division-i-poll-week-of-march-21.aspx
1. Maryland
2. Virginia <-- gets beat bad, doesn't drop
3. Princeton <-- wins by 1 goal, in OT, moves up 1
4. Cornell <-- wins by 1 goal, moves down 1
5. Georgetown
...
7. Penn -1
11. Yale n/c
15. Harvard +4
17. Brown -4
HM also receiving votes includes Syracuse.

Recall that in those fabulous Harkness/Moran years late 1960s and 1970s, before the first, 1971, tournament, wasn't it the USILA voters that couldn't manage to vote Cornell into the top spot? Always a southern school that came out #1. Okay, that was way back. Joplin and Hendrix were still alive. Karen Carpenter, too. She could sing, but the lyrics.

Also, Inside Lacrosse writer Terry Foy's Top 20: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/terry-s-top-20-off-to-the-races/59185
Terry Foy Top 20
1. Maryland '
2. Princeton (" Princeton's win over Georgetown is more impressive than the best win on Virginia's resume (at North Carolina.)
3. North Carolina
4. Georgetown
5. Cornell ("CJ Kirst, Aiden Blake and Gavin Adler could all be in the running for the Player of the Year awards at their respective positions. (Of course Kirst isn't going to surpass the dozen or so No. 1 attackmen ahead of him in vying for that award right now, but he's averaging nearly five points per game and, with just six career games under his belt, figures to improve at a faster rate than all of his upperclassmen peers).)"
...
6. Penn
9. Harvard  ("Harvard is playing with grit, which is not something that's been said very often about the Crimson over the last decade.")
16. Yale
17. Brown

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

True, but in hockey the puck is turned over or up for grabs every 30 seconds or so, and there are about four goals per game.

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Sometimes there are 4 goals in 6 minutes.
[b]12/4/2021, Potsdam[/b]
Cornell        1 1 2 0 0  -- 4
Clarkson 0 0 4 0 0  -- 4

[b]Clarkson, third period[/b]
14:43
17:07
18:27
19:58.8


That's another game that didn't happen.

[arugula]

OK, riddle me this.  USILA poll has us at number 3 last week.  We beat a good, ranked Yale team and ...drop in the polls.  No respect for this team yet, despite a reasonably tough schedule.  Need to beat Penn Saturday.

[ugarte]

OK, riddle me this.  USILA poll has us at number 3 last week.  We beat a good, ranked Yale team and ...drop in the polls.  No respect for this team yet, despite a reasonably tough schedule.  Need to beat Penn Saturday.

without doing any research... probably because we nearly collapsed against yale and we keep winning close games?

[Swampy]

if a guy takes a FO they he doesnt leave the field until the ball does or  the other team gets it back.  pretty simple.

Personally, I'd like to see a return to c. <1970's when midfielders played two ways. One reason the FOGOs can GO is they're joining the crowd to switch midfielders offense -> defense and vice versa. Back in the old days, a player who took face offs also played a regular shift immediately afterward.

Of course, back then the field was always uphill, both ways!

[CU77]

I don't follow lacrosse especially closely but see we are 6-0. What type of record would we need to get an at large to the NCAA should we fall short in the Ivy Tourney?

If Cornell does not win the Ivy League tournament, it has to be one of the seven best teams not selected. The D1 tournament has 16 spots. Nine teams are in leagues with automatic qualifiers. That leaves 64 other teams (men's D1 has ~73 teams) vying for those nine spots.

Some corrections: there are now 10 leagues, the ASUN was added this year. There will be 2 play-in games among the bottom 4 (as ranked by the selection committee) of the 10 league champions. There will be 8 at-large selections, chosen by the committee from teams that did not win their league's tournament. Note that the ACC (UVa, Cuse, Duke, UNC, ND) is NOT one of the 10 leagues that gets an autobid, because they do not have the minimum of 6 teams.

lacrossereference.com currently gives Cornell a 95%+ chance of getting into the NCAA tournament (either as Ivy Tournament Champ or as an at-large).

Cornell will be favored against all remaining opponents except Penn and Princeton, both away games. Lose both of those, and lose again to one of them in the Ivy first round, and Cornell MIGHT be out, even with wins in all other games. Losing to Cuse in the Dome is also a distinct possibility, as well as blowing a home game the team should win against Army or Brown or Harvard.

tl;dr: probably in with 3 or fewer losses, might be in or out with 4, very likely out with 5.

[billhoward]

The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

Unbeaten #12 BU (6-0) plays at #17 Harvard (4-1) tonight 7 pm. Sort of a one-game Beanpot of Lax (BC and Northeastern doing not much with Canada's other sport). Cantabs led 5-4 at the half, built a 4-goal lead midway through the fourth, final 13-10.

So the top 20 is down to two unbeatens, Maryland and Cornell, and five one-loss teams. BU's wins of 5-12 goals over UMass, Colgate (18-6), Bucknell looked good at the time; now only Bucknell is even in the "also receivng votes" category. Reality may set in the rest of the way with games against Yale, Princeton, Loyola, Lehigh and Army.

Another midweek game 3/22, Dartmouth sports PR headline reads, "Dartmouth Has Strong First Half in Loss to No. 9 Ohio State." Per the box score Tuesday night:

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Dartmouth   4  2   0  0  --  6
Ohio State  4  2   5  1  -- 12

Trivia: Duke is 8-3. No other top 20 team has played more than 9.

[Al DeFlorio]

The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

Unbeaten BU plays at Harvard tonight 7 pm. Sort of a one-game Beanpot of Lax with BC and Northeastern doing not much with Canada's other sport. Cantabs 5-4 at the half.

Now 12-9 Harvard; OSU 12, Dartmouth 6 in the 4th