Corona Virus And Playoff Games

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th, just below Croatia and Estonia, and just above Montenegro and Lebanon. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

It most certainly does, and the one thing we're seeing in this country is that the healthcare system and the government are woefully unprepared for this.  Sadly we're going to find out how unprepared as time goes by.

I don't know that the healthcare system is unprepared, most of the issues seem to be related to the feds.

At least in Syracuse the system seems ready, but they don't have enough tests to check anyone who is ill. They still have to do the screening process, which is silly. If you want to get good stats, reassure the populace and isolate early cases, you need to test people who are sick and worried.

2 years ago I had a fever and body aches, felt terrible. Wondering if it was the flu, I got tested. It was negative and as soon as my fever was gone and I felt up to it, I went back to work. If I had the flu, I probably would have stayed out a couple of days more.

Early detection is important in infectious diseases.

I'll yield to your expertise, Jim, but I do think given the number of required hospitalizations required with this virus, the number of beds available could be overwhelmed, especially on a local basis.  Certainly, that's what they've seen in other countries.

I also think the financial costs to individuals will be devastating and could in fact inhibit people from getting tested or treated.  Yet another flaw of our capitalism-based health system.

The issue with the lack of testing is a real problem.  I read somewhere (BBC?) that the number of people tested in the UK is 5-10 times that of people tested in the US, and the UK has far fewer cases at the moment, never mind a much smaller population.

[drs48]

+1

[Jim Hyla]

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th, just below Croatia and Estonia, and just above Montenegro and Lebanon. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

It most certainly does, and the one thing we're seeing in this country is that the healthcare system and the government are woefully unprepared for this.  Sadly we're going to find out how unprepared as time goes by.

I don't know that the healthcare system is unprepared, most of the issues seem to be related to the feds.

At least in Syracuse the system seems ready, but they don't have enough tests to check anyone who is ill. They still have to do the screening process, which is silly. If you want to get good stats, reassure the populace and isolate early cases, you need to test people who are sick and worried.

2 years ago I had a fever and body aches, felt terrible. Wondering if it was the flu, I got tested. It was negative and as soon as my fever was gone and I felt up to it, I went back to work. If I had the flu, I probably would have stayed out a couple of days more.

Early detection is important in infectious diseases.

I'll yield to your expertise, Jim, but I do think given the number of required hospitalizations required with this virus, the number of beds available could be overwhelmed, especially on a local basis.  Certainly, that's what they've seen in other countries.

I also think the financial costs to individuals will be devastating and could in fact inhibit people from getting tested or treated.  Yet another flaw of our capitalism-based health system.

The issue with the lack of testing is a real problem.  I read somewhere (BBC?) that the number of people tested in the UK is 5-10 times that of people tested in the US, and the UK has far fewer cases at the moment, never mind a much smaller population.

I totally agree with what you're saying including the issue of overwhelming the hospitals ability to treat. But some of that goes to our inability to test and find early cases. Doing that would minimize the number of cases and thus the number of hospital admissions.

Meaning we didn't have the ability to attack this aggressively very early on. If we had, we could have been better able to control it sooner.

Also the feds should make testing free, including for uninsured. When asked about that at the press conference yesterday, they (Pence, et. al.) just walked out of the room.

That's the problem, and why our costs just keep on rising.

[Jordan 04]

The Ivy League basketball tournaments (men's and women's) have been canceled.

https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/3/10/general-ivy-league-cancels-basketball-tournaments-limits-spectators-at-all-sporting-events.aspx

Effective immediately, the League is also implementing highly-restrictive, in-venue spectator limitations for all other upcoming campus athletics events. The League is also canceling all out-of-season practices and competitions.

[getred]

And, here's the bad news:

https://cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com/

[CU2007]

Wow that stinks. Why ban lacrosse? Not exactly packed into Schoelkopf like sardines.

[sjact]

They're claiming it's League policy.
Either way it stinks, was looking forward to Lax on Saturday.

[The Rancor]

Buuuuuul-shit!  

Lynah Closed for Playoffs ::cuss::

[redice]

Buuuuuul-shit!  

Lynah Closed for Playoffs ::cuss::

Assholes!!!!!

[Jim Hyla]

Just my opinion, but all of this is stupid. We have no cases for a couple hundred miles.

But yes there might be someone who travels from a virus area. The likely risk of that is very small.

And why is this an Ivy League policy? Shouldn't each school decide? Or since these are ECAC games, shouldn't they decide.

Now if Q decides it's okay, how can Yale go there and play in front of fans? Shouldn't they be restricted by Ivy policy?

I suspect this is risk adverse worry. No one wants to take the tiny chance that someone will get sick. Heavens, they'd probably sue the school and both leagues.

In case someone needs newspapers and/or Snickers, let me know. :-D I suddenly have an overabundance of both.

[Tcl123]

And, here's the bad news:

https://cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com/

Well there's a serious dent in our home ice advantage now.

[redice]

This will probably offend some folks but needs to be said:

FUCKING LAWYERS!!!!

They drive the mentality that forced this decision....   Jesus Christ!!!!!

[Swampy]

And, here's the bad news:

https://cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com/

Well there's a serious dent in our home ice advantage now.

Maybe they recorded past chants and can pipe them in.

[ugarte]

But yes there might be someone who travels from a virus area. The likely risk of that is very small.

i mean, beeeej would have been there and he touches his face CONSTANTLY

[andyw2100]

I wonder what this means for the championships in Lake Placid. I imagine Lake Placid relies on the tourism revenue from that weekend quite a bit. Perhaps that will allow them to make a more rational decision.