Corona Virus And Playoff Games

[upprdeck]

will the Ivies stick together on this.   of course staying home not an option for many who dont go home

[billhoward]

will the Ivies stick together on this.   of course staying home not an option for many who dont go home

And the Ivies have a LOT of international students.

Princeton has already made its choice. Columbia has cancelled classes for Monday/Tuesday 3/9-10 then virtual the rest of the week, then nothing said about after that.

[Jim Hyla]

will the Ivies stick together on this.   of course staying home not an option for many who dont go home

There's not yet a reason for the Ivies to form a uniform school policy.

As of right now, it's likely that CU and Dartmouth would have less current risk than more metropolitan schools.

[upprdeck]

I think the issue is what happens when kids go home for break and come back.

[Jim Hyla]

I think the issue is what happens when kids go home for break and come back.

I agree, if you go to an endemic area, you should be treated just like any other person who travels.

But that doesn't mean you have to close it to everyone.

Might be simpler, however.

[billhoward]

will the Ivies stick together on this.   of course staying home not an option for many who dont go home

There's not yet a reason for the Ivies to form a uniform school policy.

As of right now, it's likely that CU and Dartmouth would have less current risk than more metropolitan schools.

And the vet school doesn't treat civet cats.

Press pool report coming out of VP Pence's office last week had it as "civic cat." Memes followed quickly.

[cu155]

I'm chuckling at Dartmouth being low-risk given that medical resident who managed to go to a Tuck business school party after being told to self quarantine. My semi-retired physician parents (with backgrounds in public health and infectious disease) are both affiliated with Dartmouth college, med-school, and hospital and are....unimpressed by the current response.

I'm currently sitting in the airport in Hong Kong flying back to Shanghai later today and it will be interesting to see how things go (Shanghai has aggressive health screening in place for inbound flights).  My fiance flew back yesterday and managed to get out of airport in 1.5 hours with no restrictions on her movement or directive to self quarantine.  Meanwhile one of my colleagues who also flew back yesterday took 6 hours to clear the airport and is telling me that all Americans will be required to self-quarantine.

Since there's been a long discussion re death rates in this thread I'll throw in my parents' comments (based on many years of doing medical projects in China) which are that China struggles to offer strong ICU care, so they strongly suspect a lot of the deaths of otherwise young/healthy individuals have been a result of operator error with ventilators and various other machines used during care.

This whole thing shouldn't result in panic but is worth taking seriously, with the serious response being to really properly wash hands (20-30 seconds with good soap, top of hand, each finger, palms, and finger tips/nails), everything else is security theater though masks do at least stop one from touching one's face.

[Trotsky]

20-30 seconds with good soap

Please define "good" soap?  Are you telling my Dial Gold bars are going to kill me?

[cu155]

Your Dial Gold bars definitely have it out for you...

I think pretty much any bar soap is fine as long as it allows you to work up a good lather as it's the mechanical action you get from the hand washing that removes the bad juju.  The key is really taking the time to get both sides of the hand, each finger and especially the finger tips (it's generally the area around the nails that stays dirty when they do cleanliness trials in hospitals).  In ORs they use sterile scrubbers to get under and around each nail, but you can get pretty much the same effect from little wooden scraper sticks that you can buy online.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

20-30 seconds with good soap

Please define "good" soap?  Are you telling my Dial Gold bars are going to kill me?

Actually, when I went in for a surgical procedure in June, they told me Dial antibacterial soap was sufficient for creating a sterile situation for the procedure.

[marty]

20-30 seconds with good soap

Please define "good" soap?  Are you telling my Dial Gold bars are going to kill me?

Actually, when I went in for a surgical procedure in June, they told me Dial antibacterial soap was sufficient for creating a sterile situation for the procedure.

If you want the real good stuff look for chlorhexadine gluconate.  But that is overkill for this disease in my opinion.  I have some in the house, I believe, that is a left over from a pre-surgical scrub and I never even considered looking for it, let alone using it.

But it is wonderful in that it not only kills most bugs but it gets into your skin (or oral tissue ) and keeps on killing for 24 hours or so IIRC.

[Swampy]

CU155 you raise an interesting point that I've been wondering about.

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th, just below Croatia and Estonia, and just above Montenegro and Lebanon. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

[CU2007]

CU155 you raise an interesting point that I've been wondering about.

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

Definitely depends on the area's demographics. One of the reasons cited for cancelling the Indian Wells tennis tournament is that it is in Palm Springs - an area flush with elderly retired folks.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th, just below Croatia and Estonia, and just above Montenegro and Lebanon. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

It most certainly does, and the one thing we're seeing in this country is that the healthcare system and the government are woefully unprepared for this.  Sadly we're going to find out how unprepared as time goes by.

[Jim Hyla]

We're hearing summary statistics, like the virus's death rate, estimated by WHO at 3.4%. But besides the presence of other medical conditions, if age is a predictor of the disease's mortality rate, then won't the death rate depend on an area's demographics? And, more to the point, won't it also depend on a country's healthcare system?

For example, the "Amenable Mortality Rate" measures what proportion of a country's population dies each year from preventable diseases. The U.S. ranks around 55th, just below Croatia and Estonia, and just above Montenegro and Lebanon. So someone seeking care in the U.S. faces several impediments. It's not the germ's fault; it's the system's.

It most certainly does, and the one thing we're seeing in this country is that the healthcare system and the government are woefully unprepared for this.  Sadly we're going to find out how unprepared as time goes by.

I don't know that the healthcare system is unprepared, most of the issues seem to be related to the feds.

At least in Syracuse the system seems ready, but they don't have enough tests to check anyone who is ill. They still have to do the screening process, which is silly. If you want to get good stats, reassure the populace and isolate early cases, you need to test people who are sick and worried.

2 years ago I had a fever and body aches, felt terrible. Wondering if it was the flu, I got tested. It was negative and as soon as my fever was gone and I felt up to it, I went back to work. If I had the flu, I probably would have stayed out a couple of days more.

Early detection is important in infectious diseases.