2019-03-01: Cornell 4 St. Lawrence 2

[Trotsky]

i only disparage it when clarkson wins it

That's reasonable.

Personally I feel that way about Union and Q.  They're always gonna be the cheap, knock-off brand to me.

No doubt it's how HYP views us.

[Beeeej]

OSU really is sitting in the same spot as us though even at 7 if they lose 2 to MSU and then drop early in the b10 who knows where they fall..

had we beaten MSU we probably would almost be a lock

Don't know about "a lock," as all kinds of things can still go wrong in the last weekend or over the conference tourney - but a split with MSU would have us in 8th right now, and a sweep would have us in 6th. I'd definitely prefer either of those to 13th.

[marty]

I believe in hardware.  So, the Ivy title is great, and we have a shot at another title this weekend: the ECAC RS.  I am aware that some of you disparage that achievement.  Opinions vary.  To me it's another thing to look back at in 20 years for them to be proud of.

Let's Go Red!

i only disparage it when clarkson wins it

I primarily denigrate the title because of the cup's namesake's alleged hatred of the team I love.

[Beeeej]

I believe in hardware.  So, the Ivy title is great, and we have a shot at another title this weekend: the ECAC RS.  I am aware that some of you disparage that achievement.  Opinions vary.  To me it's another thing to look back at in 20 years for them to be proud of.

Let's Go Red!

i only disparage it when clarkson wins it

I primarily denigrate the title because of the cup's namesake's alleged hatred of the team I love.

Yeah, I don't disparage the achievement (though I consider the tournament title a better one), I just resent the hell out of the fact that it's named after a hateful, classless former coach of our bitterest rival.

[Trotsky]

Yeah, I don't disparage the achievement (though I consider the tournament title a better one), I just resent the hell out of the fact that it's named after a hateful, classless former coach of our bitterest rival.

I don't think this captures the entirety of Cleary.  Sure, he was a dick about the rivalry during the late 80s.  But he was a really strong advocate of both the ECAC and the Ivies.  As far as I know he and Laing Kennedy respected each other and worked together.

Cleary could be peevish, he could be self-promoting, and he could be a self-parody of Harvard Parochialism.  But there was more to the guy.

No question the tournament trophy is far more important, so they got the relative importance of the two schools right.  :-)

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

On the PWR front, ASU is going to eat up an at-large slot with no conference tournament for them to win. So realistically we're probably looking at needing to finish in the top 11 or 12.

ASU's independence does not matter.  They are thrown into the mix the same as any non-AQ team.

I think all he means is that without a conference tournament to blow and ruin their resume, and currently sitting at 8, their profile isn't going to change even if they drop a pair to Minnesota, so they've locked up a spot. But I agree with you that since they are at 8, they don't really factor into the bubble.

Actually, I was just being dumb and thinking about it backwards: "There are six auto-bids, so essentially ten at-large sports. Each team ahead of Cornell in the PWR who gets an auto-bid opens up an extra at-large spot for Cornell."

Well, right now the conference that to me seems most ripe for stealing a slot is the Big 10.  They have only one team in the top 15, and they're rather competitive top to bottom, so any of the other teams winning their tourney is quite possible (and bad for us).  NCHC and HE each have 4 teams in, as do we.  The odds of one of the lower seeds in each of those conferences slipping in seems low. So I think if we finish 13th or higher we're good.

Let's win 2 this weekend and make it more comfortable.

[Dafatone]

On the PWR front, ASU is going to eat up an at-large slot with no conference tournament for them to win. So realistically we're probably looking at needing to finish in the top 11 or 12.

ASU's independence does not matter.  They are thrown into the mix the same as any non-AQ team.

I think all he means is that without a conference tournament to blow and ruin their resume, and currently sitting at 8, their profile isn't going to change even if they drop a pair to Minnesota, so they've locked up a spot. But I agree with you that since they are at 8, they don't really factor into the bubble.

Actually, I was just being dumb and thinking about it backwards: "There are six auto-bids, so essentially ten at-large sports. Each team ahead of Cornell in the PWR who gets an auto-bid opens up an extra at-large spot for Cornell."

Well, right now the conference that to me seems most ripe for stealing a slot is the Big 10.  They have only one team in the top 15, and they're rather competitive top to bottom, so any of the other teams winning their tourney is quite possible (and bad for us).  NCHA and HE each have 4 teams in, as do we.  The odds of one of the lower seeds in each of those conferences slipping in seems low. So I think if we finish 13th or higher we're good.

Let's win 2 this weekend and make it more comfortable.

For what it's worth, if Notre Dame (17th) or Penn State (19th) won the Big 10, there's a decent chance they'd move up into the top 15 in doing so.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

On the PWR front, ASU is going to eat up an at-large slot with no conference tournament for them to win. So realistically we're probably looking at needing to finish in the top 11 or 12.

ASU's independence does not matter.  They are thrown into the mix the same as any non-AQ team.

I think all he means is that without a conference tournament to blow and ruin their resume, and currently sitting at 8, their profile isn't going to change even if they drop a pair to Minnesota, so they've locked up a spot. But I agree with you that since they are at 8, they don't really factor into the bubble.

Actually, I was just being dumb and thinking about it backwards: "There are six auto-bids, so essentially ten at-large sports. Each team ahead of Cornell in the PWR who gets an auto-bid opens up an extra at-large spot for Cornell."

Well, right now the conference that to me seems most ripe for stealing a slot is the Big 10.  They have only one team in the top 15, and they're rather competitive top to bottom, so any of the other teams winning their tourney is quite possible (and bad for us).  NCHC and HE each have 4 teams in, as do we.  The odds of one of the lower seeds in each of those conferences slipping in seems low. So I think if we finish 13th or higher we're good.

Let's win 2 this weekend and make it more comfortable.

For what it's worth, if Notre Dame (17th) or Penn State (19th) won the Big 10, there's a decent chance they'd move up into the top 15 in doing so.

True, but if they win the Big 10, they steal an at-large slot whether they move into the top 15 or not.

[Jim Hyla]

On the PWR front, ASU is going to eat up an at-large slot with no conference tournament for them to win. So realistically we're probably looking at needing to finish in the top 11 or 12.

ASU's independence does not matter.  They are thrown into the mix the same as any non-AQ team.

I think all he means is that without a conference tournament to blow and ruin their resume, and currently sitting at 8, their profile isn't going to change even if they drop a pair to Minnesota, so they've locked up a spot. But I agree with you that since they are at 8, they don't really factor into the bubble.

Actually, I was just being dumb and thinking about it backwards: "There are six auto-bids, so essentially ten at-large sports. Each team ahead of Cornell in the PWR who gets an auto-bid opens up an extra at-large spot for Cornell."

Well, right now the conference that to me seems most ripe for stealing a slot is the Big 10.  They have only one team in the top 15, and they're rather competitive top to bottom, so any of the other teams winning their tourney is quite possible (and bad for us).  NCHC and HE each have 4 teams in, as do we.  The odds of one of the lower seeds in each of those conferences slipping in seems low. So I think if we finish 13th or higher we're good.

Let's win 2 this weekend and make it more comfortable.

For what it's worth, if Notre Dame (17th) or Penn State (19th) won the Big 10, there's a decent chance they'd move up into the top 15 in doing so.

True, but if they win the Big 10, they steal an at-large slot whether they move into the top 15 or not.

I understand what you're saying, but I think the way many, if not most, of us look at stealing a spot is when a team gets in without being high enough in PWR.

Certainly for me, if a team wins their tournament and gets enough PWR to otherwise be in, then they deserve it, even if they knock us out.

[Trotsky]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

[Jim Hyla]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

Sure, but you do know how "deserve" is used in this context, right?

[Trotsky]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

Sure, but you do know how "deserve" is used in this context, right?

We keep losing to RPI.  I don't know anything anymore.

[Give My Regards]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

Well, that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

[Trotsky]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

Well, that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

Tell me about it.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

There is no "deserve."  There is only "is."

Well, that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

Tell me about it.

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