2019-03-01: Cornell 4 St. Lawrence 2

Started by Trotsky, February 23, 2019, 11:40:18 PM

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redice

Quote from: ugarteI think he was back on the ice shortly thereafter but I could be misremembering.

No, I don't think he did return to the ice.  He did remain in the "bench area".  But he was standing behind the rest of the plahers, near the tunnel.   At one point, it was clear that he was favoring his left arm (shoulder?).
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upprdeck

yeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

redice

Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

The crowd continued to boo that penalty until 00:30 left in the penalty.  I don't recall the booing lasting that long on any other penalty.  A horrible call.
"If a player won't go in the corners, he might as well take up checkers."

-Ned Harkness

Trotsky

Quote from: redice
Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

The crowd continued to boo that penalty until 00:30 left in the penalty.  I don't recall the booing lasting that long on any other penalty.  A horrible call.
Also one of the few times that both coaches gave the ref sh-t on the same call.

It's certainly plausible that a player can be hooked or slashed and then sell the call -- happens in soccer all the time.  I actually like that there's a provision in the rules that allows for the simultaneous call.  But it sure happens a lot.

TimV

Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

I'd have to look at the sequence again, I only had the view that E+ gave me, but it looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself.  ("Just my opinion - I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller)
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upprdeck

i think the issue was the hook pulled on his shoulder and since he can barely lift it and probably shouldnt be playing in the first place it likely hurt since he couldnt really move it he normally would to get away from the contact

Dafatone

Quote from: TimV
Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

I'd have to look at the sequence again, I only had the view that E+ gave me, but it looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself.  ("Just my opinion - I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller)

It certainly looked that way, but given that he's a tiny guy with an already-injured shoulder, he might've just gotten spun real bad.

I think it's silly that the rules try to police the behavior of a player who is being fouled (fouled doesn't feel like the right word, but bear with me). If you're faking the contact, sure, you suck and should be penalized. But it's weird to me for the rules to say that Donaldson got hooked but he reacted wrong. You don't see it in other levels of hockey, or at least I haven't noticed it. It's a weirdly common ECAC call.

Trotsky

Quote from: TimVit looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N48eBy5pgM

Fun fact: left column, farthest from camera.  Young man with a future.  Jussie Smollett.

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No way he embellished it. He was being hacked from the time he left the defensive zone.  And it looked to me like he was tripped with a stick between his legs more than he was hooked.  And I thought he actually fell on the shoulder.  Mind you, I haven't seen any replays of it.

And the booing went on even after the penalty ended.  At every break in the action, it started up again.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: TimV
Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

I'd have to look at the sequence again, I only had the view that E+ gave me, but it looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself.  ("Just my opinion - I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller)

Look at it again. He was hooked/high sticked to his left arm, his injured arm. He was spun around and landed face down, not on his shoulder. As far as I remember, he never came back.

The injury to his arm almost for sure occurred when his arm was jammed up by the stick.

At the end of the senior program, when the players and families form a circle, he never put his left arm up on the person to his left.

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if that's the last time we see him this season.
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

BearLover

Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

I'd have to look at the sequence again, I only had the view that E+ gave me, but it looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself.  ("Just my opinion - I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller)

Look at it again. He was hooked/high sticked to his left arm, his injured arm. He was spun around and landed face down, not on his shoulder. As far as I remember, he never came back.

The injury to his arm almost for sure occurred when his arm was jammed up by the stick.

At the end of the senior program, when the players and families form a circle, he never put his left arm up on the person to his left.

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if that's the last time we see him this season.
He definitely came back out to serve the penalty. Don't believe he returned to the ice. Lots of incredibly baseless speculation going around in this thread.

Jim Hyla

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Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: upprdeckyeah the ref looks pretty dumb for calling embellishment on the player and then we he goes to ask why he isnt in the box, he is down he tunnel trying to get worked on because he is hurt.

I'd have to look at the sequence again, I only had the view that E+ gave me, but it looked to me that he embellished the impact of the hook/interference by going down in an exaggerated way, but in the process fell on his shoulder and hurt himself.  ("Just my opinion - I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller)

Look at it again. He was hooked/high sticked to his left arm, his injured arm. He was spun around and landed face down, not on his shoulder. As far as I remember, he never came back.

The injury to his arm almost for sure occurred when his arm was jammed up by the stick.

At the end of the senior program, when the players and families form a circle, he never put his left arm up on the person to his left.

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if that's the last time we see him this season.
He definitely came back out to serve the penalty. Don't believe he returned to the ice. Lots of incredibly baseless speculation going around in this thread.

I don't think it's baseless speculation to think that we might not see him again. This is the third injury to that arm/shoulder. He was really hurting.

Yes, I'm speculating, but certainly not baseless.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

BearLover

Moreover, here is a photo of him (to the immediate right of the guys in suits) with his arm around the player to his left: https://twitter.com/DailySunSports/status/1099501900838375424?s=19

Granted, the ELynhah Twitter photo of the alma mater shows him with that arm at his side. He could be injured, for all I know. But it's impossible to draw any conclusions yet, and several people in this thread have stated things that are flat-out incorrect.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: BearLoverMoreover, here is a photo of him (to the immediate right of the guys in suits) with his arm around the player to his left: https://twitter.com/DailySunSports/status/1099501900838375424?s=19

Granted, the ELynhah Twitter photo of the alma mater shows him with that arm at his side. He could be injured, for all I know. But it's impossible to draw any conclusions yet, and several people in this thread have stated things that are flat-out incorrect.

Look at your evidence. Look at the difference between how he has his right arm versus his left. The right is on Galajda's shoulder and his left is on the "suit's" waist.

That's not natural. When you form a ring like that you are generally symmetric.

Sure it might mean nothing, but putting all the info together, there is some basis for saying he's hurt.

And to which "things that are flat-out incorrect" are you referring?
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Trotsky

Presumably there will be some comments out of practice this week to indicate whether Cam was hurt seriously.

The week off is going to help; just need one final weekend of good results to get there.