Cornell Football 2019

[ugarte]

Anyone else notice that games will no longer be broadcast over the air or online with WHCU? WHCU is currently running a notice stating that despite having had the games for a decade or so they are no longer able to air them because of the ESPN contract. I wonder if this will impact hockey as well. I doubt the remaining local football supporters who rely on the radio broadcast are going to be running ESPN+ on their Zenith tv set. Quite disappointing if Cornell athletics will no longer have a free listening option.

i just asked - cornell hockey is still on whcu, everything else is exclusively espn+.

[upprdeck]

espn+ is a video broadcast.. why would that effect the radio side?

does this mean no Lax anymore too on the radio?

syracuse has a full ESPN+ presence. but they still have everything on the radio side available.

[Weder]

It looks like other Ivy schools (well, at least the two I bothered to check) also have radio broadcasts listed for their games. Did Cornell football have separate announcers for its radio and ESPN+ broadcasts? I wonder if that was the issue, as hockey does have two sets of announcers.

[upprdeck]

a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio..  or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car

[ugarte]

here's what cornell told me. no espn audio stream.

[Trotsky]

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s.  I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams.  So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along.  And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.

But.  We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80.  Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades.  How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened.  Why?  Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

[Al DeFlorio]

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s.  I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams.  So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans./quote]
Your cutoff date is too soon.  Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s.  Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970,  Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.

[Ken711]

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s.  I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams.  So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along.  And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.

But.  We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80.  Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades.  How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened.  Why?  Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

[/b]

Doubtful they ever drop to D3.  And you're discounting the fans and alumni supporters that followed Cornell during the successful Marinaro and Maxie Baughan and Jim Hofher era years.

[billhoward]

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened.  Why?  Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

We're in the Football Championship Division, nee Division 1-A. It is the downsized D1 without dropping to D3. It has a playoff and a chance to win an NCAA national championship, as 10-0 Princeton might have come close to last year were it not for the Ivy presidents not wanting this one sport to have a post-season championship playoff. A lot of like-Cornell schools are there: Colgate, Georgetown, Lafayette, Lehigh, Villanova, and the eight Ivies.

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[Scersk '97]

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car

Indeed, the reach of WHCU's signal can be staggering. I've caught it on the other side of the Greens on skiing trips from CT to VT.

What constitutes a "die hard" football fan? I was a bandie, so I have more than a casual interest. And I definitely would make an effort to catch a potential championship-clinching game. Of course that hasn't been a concern for about 19 years now...

Ah, the 2000 Ivy Bowl: snow/sleet all over the bleachers; an utter collapse by us; and Andy Noel, at midfield, over the PA, and with most hearty congratulations, gleefully handing Penn the championship trophy!

Great memories. At least I was drunk. Good damn thing we tied Harvard and beat Brown that weekend.

[upprdeck]

I kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio.  money drives everything.  But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont.  It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left.  also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more.   people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.

ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country.  WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.

Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.

we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.

[Al DeFlorio]

I kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio.  money drives everything.  But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont.  It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left.  also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more.   people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.

ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country.  WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.

Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.

we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.

Agree completely.  Many times I'd go to WHCU whem the video feed was broken.  Also when the team hosting Cornell didn't have a webcast.

[Beeeej]

a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio..  or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?

[billhoward]

At Marist Saturday, gametime 12 noon, weather forecast for sunny/partly cloudy and low 80s. Tickets are $10. The stadium seats 5,000 plus apparently lawn seating. There are details at goredfoxes.com which URL I mis-ready.  

We go into the game and might emerge from the game unbeaten, something harder to claim later in 2019.


Bill Howard  +1

[Trotsky]

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s.  I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams.  So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

Your cutoff date is too soon.  Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s.  Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970,  Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.

That's fair.  After all, Doonesbury started as a joke about how Yalies gave a shit about Brian Dowling and that was around 1968.

Let's be super generous then and move the cut to 1981, the year the Ivies were kicked out of D1-A for not admitting the actual functional morons who eventually graduate from Duke and Stanford instead. If 1970 births are the standard we still have about 20 years of cold demography to go before the mouthbreathers cease to attract Cornell's gold-encrusted attention.

And by then the Power Five will be a fully professional Premier League and Cornell may actually be competitive at the children's table.