Cornell lacrosse 2019

[djk26]

TD going to Yale

Ouch.  I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true.  I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life.  I wish his brother well in both.  ;-)

I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year.  Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.

This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.

[margolism]

I actually feel bad for the incom8ng Yale FOGO who probably assumed he would be a starter as a frosh.

[ugarte]

I actually feel bad for the incom8ng Yale FOGO who probably assumed he would be a starter as a frosh.

maybe he's looking to transfer

[Swampy]

TD going to Yale

Daily Messenger article

Totally sucks!

[mike1960]

TD going to Yale

Ouch.  I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true.  I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life.  I wish his brother well in both.  ;-)

I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year.  Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.

This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.

We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.

[Swampy]

TD going to Yale

Ouch.  I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true.  I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life.  I wish his brother well in both.  ;-)

I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year.  Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.

This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.

We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.

We just have to overcome SOT.

I do like how our FOGOs improved this year. It says a great deal about the coaching.

Remember Jake Pulver's decision to commit to Cornell while he was visiting Yale. I guess TD's decision to go Ely rather than Ezra makes us even.

[Swampy]

Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.

[mike1960]

TD going to Yale

Ouch.  I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true.  I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life.  I wish his brother well in both.  ;-)

I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year.  Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.

This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.

We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.

We just have to overcome SOT.

I do like how our FOGOs improved this year. It says a great deal about the coaching.

Remember Jake Pulver's decision to commit to Cornell while he was visiting Yale. I guess TD's decision to go Ely rather than Ezra makes us even.

Dominating FOGO Kevin Reisman appears to have made the transition to coaching. He's done a great job for us this year.

[djk26]

Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.

Yale's econ major website is more attractive, no doubt.  But the first two sentences on that site...yeesh.

So glad you are interested in learning more about majoring in economics at Yale. Reasonably given its name, many people think economics is the study of the economy including recessions and inflation and perhaps stocks and bonds as well.

That first sentence--who is glad?  The placement of the first three words in the second sentence seems wrong.

All right--I'm contributing to too much thread drift.  Go Big Red, beat Yale (in lacrosse.)

[BearLover]

Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship.  In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25.  In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh?  I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.

Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.

[Al DeFlorio]

Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship.  In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25.  In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh?  I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.

Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.

You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost.  Hasn't happened.  'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction."  Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship.  Sub .500.  Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.

[BearLover]

Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship.  In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25.  In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh?  I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.

Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.

You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost.  Hasn't happened.  'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction."  Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship.  Sub .500.  Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.

My argument was limited to the five years following the national championship (two of which Yale made the NCAAs and two of which Cornell did)? That's news to me. You chose an arbitrary cutting off point that comes after two very successful years for Cornell. Cut off the "analysis" at 2015, or 2016, and we have the total opposite result. Yale has a great recruiting class this year. We don't know how things are going to develop.

There are far too many confounding variables to argue causality one way or the other. As I said earlier in literally this same thread:

It's usually hard to prove a rival's success hurt us in recruiting

We usually don't know what teams a recruit is deciding between, what the recruit is looking for, etc. In this case, though, we have a relatively simple test-case: the top transfer in the country choosing between Cornell and a Yale team that just won the national championship. If this happened in, say, 2010, and Cornell were the clear best Ivy in lacrosse, would he have chosen Cornell instead? Princeton then was the closest parallel to Yale now: an HYP school with recent lax success. The difference, though, was that Cornell had more recent success than Princeton. So would the result have been different? Maybe, maybe not. But on average, holding everything else equal, Irelan would have been more likely to choose Cornell under those 2010 circumstances than under these current ones. (Or he could have chosen Syracuse or some non-Ivy instead. We don't know, but again, we are talking about likelihood, not absolutes.) If Yale had exited in the first round this year, I think there's a very good chance we'd be starting next season with the best FOGO guy in the country.

It's also worth noting the impact on recruiting was a relatively minor point in the overall argument I was making. If you look at Cornell's success relative to the strength of the rest of the ECAC, results from last six years support the conclusion that Cornell has more success when the ECAC is weaker, or at minimum a weak ECAC doesn't hurt Cornell enough nationally to cancel out the advantage of having a higher chance at an automatic bid (missing the tournament four years straight when the ECAC was strong, and making it the past two years when the ECAC was down).

[margolism]

Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class?  I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn't enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.  

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn't indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates.  I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.

[BearLover]

Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class?  I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn't enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.  

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn't indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates.  I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.

It's definitely not a 1:1 correlation but there's definitely a correlation. BU/Mich/NoDak/etc wouldn't be perennial powers if that weren't the case. On paper Cairns was the highlight of our recruiting class last year, but we also had a number of players who had put up great numbers in juniors. At least one was on an NHL draft watch-list (Betts, I believe) and Barron was drafted. This year we have a couple of forwards who put up good numbers coming, though none of whom were on any draft watch-lists. Yale was able to snag several of the top scorers in the USHL, IIRC.

[CAS]

Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round