Cornell 1 St. Lawrence 0

[ugarte]

Following up on someone else's comment a while ago, in 2018, Cornell has only allowed one goal in the six games that Cairns has played.

Cairns has played in seven games. In the first game, Niagara scored four goals, two of which he was directly responsible for. In the remaining six games, Cornell has allowed only one goal; Cairns has spent most of those games watching from the bench, playing maybe one or two shifts a period.

:-)

The Niagara game was in 2017.  In calendar year 2018 he has played in six games (I defer to others regarding his on ice time in those games.)  In those six games Cornell has only allowed one goal.

Nice escape from a near-pin. That was a very good use of stats until Arthur chimed in with an unfortunate reality check. Been a victim of that myself.

Most of the time, the use of stats is highly selective - especially in sports, and especially with regards to in-season streaks.  

Regarding Cairns on ice time, or on ice time for any player, I wish player hockey statistics were normalized to adjust for total # of shifts and actual time on the ice.  It is much easier to be a points producer when you are placing 16 to 20 minutes per game versus six or seven.  Not to mention intangibles such as the ability to get into a better rhythm, etc.  Given the variance in on-ice time from player to player, this would give me a better sense of player contributions.

But of course if you're playing 20 min vs. 6 min, it means the coaches think you're a better player. You can go on forever with this. What knid of situations are you thrown on the ice? Better players are in tougher situations. Better d'men might have decreased performance, just because of situations. Same for F/O men. Top offensive forwards might not be put in defensive situations. On and on, where we stop nobody knows.

I like letting the coaches worry about those things and just enjoying the symphony.

I'm fine with better players getting more ice time - but when it comes to, say, scoring, that should be normalized against actual playing time.  I think the place where this really comes into play is scoring, where points per game is a commonly used metric.  True, better players get more ice time - so I would then assume that the amount of points they score per minute played would be higher than a 4th liner, on a per minutes played basis.

yeah but it's a chicken-egg thing. sure, a 4th liner gets fewer PPG because they have fewer minutes but it's unlikely that they're scoring more PPM - that's how they ended up on the 4th line.

[margolism]

Following up on someone else's comment a while ago, in 2018, Cornell has only allowed one goal in the six games that Cairns has played.

Cairns has played in seven games. In the first game, Niagara scored four goals, two of which he was directly responsible for. In the remaining six games, Cornell has allowed only one goal; Cairns has spent most of those games watching from the bench, playing maybe one or two shifts a period.

:-)

The Niagara game was in 2017.  In calendar year 2018 he has played in six games (I defer to others regarding his on ice time in those games.)  In those six games Cornell has only allowed one goal.

Nice escape from a near-pin. That was a very good use of stats until Arthur chimed in with an unfortunate reality check. Been a victim of that myself.

Most of the time, the use of stats is highly selective - especially in sports, and especially with regards to in-season streaks.  

Regarding Cairns on ice time, or on ice time for any player, I wish player hockey statistics were normalized to adjust for total # of shifts and actual time on the ice.  It is much easier to be a points producer when you are placing 16 to 20 minutes per game versus six or seven.  Not to mention intangibles such as the ability to get into a better rhythm, etc.  Given the variance in on-ice time from player to player, this would give me a better sense of player contributions.

But of course if you're playing 20 min vs. 6 min, it means the coaches think you're a better player. You can go on forever with this. What knid of situations are you thrown on the ice? Better players are in tougher situations. Better d'men might have decreased performance, just because of situations. Same for F/O men. Top offensive forwards might not be put in defensive situations. On and on, where we stop nobody knows.

I like letting the coaches worry about those things and just enjoying the symphony.

I'm fine with better players getting more ice time - but when it comes to, say, scoring, that should be normalized against actual playing time.  I think the place where this really comes into play is scoring, where points per game is a commonly used metric.  True, better players get more ice time - so I would then assume that the amount of points they score per minute played would be higher than a 4th liner, on a per minutes played basis.

yeah but it's a chicken-egg thing. sure, a 4th liner gets fewer PPG because they have fewer minutes but it's unlikely that they're scoring more PPM - that's how they ended up on the 4th line.

Only way to know for sure is to do the math.  Stranger things have been revealed when doing a large data set analysis.

[Trotsky]

On the other hand, normalizing TOI for Damian Rocke would make for some very interesting statistics. 15 PIM for 1 minute of playing time = 900 PIM per game.

[marty]

On the other hand, normalizing TOI for Damian Rocke would make for some very interesting statistics. 15 PIM for 1 minute of playing time = 900 PIM per game.

How about shutouts per games played.  Is Stewart still leading? I won't do the math!

[Trotsky]

On the other hand, normalizing TOI for Damian Rocke would make for some very interesting statistics. 15 PIM for 1 minute of playing time = 900 PIM per game.

How about shutouts per games played.  Is Stewart still leading? I won't do the math!

If you adjust by Mins, then Galajda has 1267 Mins = 21.12 Game-equivalents (GE), so his shutouts ratio is .38.  Stewart's 554 Mins give him 9.23 GE for a shutout ratio of .33 (but, SSS).

Other Cornell goalies:

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.38 Galajda 8 SO 21.12 GE
.24 LeNeveu 11 SO 46.47 GE
.18 Kennedy 10 SO 56.35 GE
.17 McKee 18 SO 103.22 GE
.17 Scrivens 19 SO 111.83 GE
.16 Dryden 13 SO 80.73 GE
.12 Gillam 11 SO 92.93 GE
.08 Iles 9 SO 119.00 GE


The other way of putting this is if Galajda kept his pace then when he equaled Scrivens' GE he would have 42 shutouts.

[billhoward]

On the other hand, normalizing TOI for Damian Rocke would make for some very interesting statistics. 15 PIM for 1 minute of playing time = 900 PIM per game.

Absurd example helps prove the point that there's room for more meaningful stats especially if you include a minimum floor of minutes played. If a Pine Line / FUGOWI player (now called the Energy Line) gets one-third the minutes of Angello's line, then their goals, PIM, assists could be scaled up to, say, points/assists/shots/PIM per 20 minutes ice time which would roughly equate to what a first-line player gets.

[billhoward]

Nice. A lot harder if you had to run over to Upson Hall with a new set of batch cards for processing. Now you just gotta say, Alexa, recalculate Galajda's stats. Assuming she parses it right. I just told the car, except Siri leaned in, to "tune to S X M one-twenty-four," and Siri heard the S-X part too well. She told me, "I'm not going to do that."

[RichH]

Stewart's GAA (1.01) and SV% (0.956) both would lead the NCAA by a large margin (and be all-time single-season records). Given that for his stats to "count" in the NCAA category leaders he would need to play in 33% of the team's minutes. He's currently at 15.7%.  If Stewart plays the remainder of the regular season, he gets up to 27.3% In order to get to the 33% point, he would have to play up to three games in the playoffs without throwing up a stinker. (THIS IS JUST A MATH EXERCISE I WAS PONDERING, PEOPLE.)

Now on the more real side of things, Galajda currently owns the #7 best GAA season in NCAA history.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/record/gaa

[Trotsky]

Stewart's GAA (1.01) and SV% (0.956) both would lead the NCAA by a large margin (and be all-time single-season records). Given that for his stats to "count" in the NCAA category leaders he would need to play in 33% of the team's minutes. He's currently at 15.7%.  If Stewart plays the remainder of the regular season, he gets up to 27.3% In order to get to the 33% point, he would have to play up to three games in the playoffs without throwing up a stinker. (THIS IS JUST A MATH EXERCISE I WAS PONDERING, PEOPLE.)

If you promise me Stewart will maintain 1.01 / .956 for the remainder of this season I'll bench Galajda right now!  ::banana::

[Iceberg]

Butt-ending major on SLU. I can't remember the last time I've seen one of those.

And now the guy who did it, Gicewicz, gets suspended for 1 game by the ECAC. He won't be playing Friday against Harvard.


http://www.uscho.com/2018/02/12/ecac-hockey-hands-st-lawrences-gicewicz-one-game-suspension-butt-ending-cornell/

[billhoward]

You're not supposed to say "shutout" to avoid jinxing the goalie / team. Probably not "reversion to mean," either then.

[ugarte]

Butt-ending major on SLU. I can't remember the last time I've seen one of those.

And now the guy who did it, Gicewicz, gets suspended for 1 game by the ECAC. He won't be playing Friday against Harvard.

i still don't know who got poked

[David Harding]

Players may be changed at any time from the players' bench, provided the player or players leaving the ice always are at the players' bench and out of play before any change is made.

[Swampy]

Nice. A lot harder if you had to run over to Upson Hall with a new set of batch cards for processing. Now you just gotta say, Alexa, recalculate Galajda's stats. Assuming she parses it right. I just told the car, except Siri leaned in, to "tune to S X M one-twenty-four," and Siri heard the S-X part too well. She told me, "I'm not going to do that."

Upson Hall? How about driving out to the airport?

[upprdeck]

and this is where the vagueness of the changing rule comes into play.. "at the bench"  is that touching the board? within 3=5=10ft?  clearly going off the ice?

you could clean up the rule.  player must be going over the boards or thru the door before replacement can touch the ice. Would that really change much except to make it more obvious when its a penalty?

Its almost like the baseball "in the vicinity rule" at 2nd base.