Injuries

[ugarte]

USE SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.

OK, here we go: it is not common sense to speculate, or to share information that you have received illicitly. It is also common sense to say "we have learned X from an email that was sent around." It is not common sense to dance around X and pretend you're protecting classified information.

It has been brought to my attention that the amount of information in the email different from the information in the Sun is "nothing." So this has been a very strange discussion.

[billhoward]

It has been brought to my attention that the amount of information in the email different from the information in the Sun is "nothing." So this has been a very strange discussion.

In a note to some longtime friends/supporters of Cornell hockey, Schafer mentioned the loss of three players. He mentioned Vanderlaan is out for the rest of the RS. Depending on how you read punctuation into what he wrote, you might believe all three are out for the rest of the RS or Vanderlaan only. Schafer is positively Belichickian in imparting little to no news you don't already know, nothing actionable by the other side. "It's on to Potsdam."

[Cop at Lynah]

They loose Vanderlaan, Donaldson and Smith and they get Mallot back.Not ideal, but now is the chance for the depth to step up an maintain the level of play.  Still plenty of quality players that will be suiting up this weekend

[Trotsky]

They loose Vanderlaan, Donaldson and Smith and they get Mallot back.Not ideal, but now is the chance for the depth to step up an maintain the level of play.  Still plenty of quality players that will be suiting up this weekend

I'm guessing we see Tschantz stay in for Cam, Mallot swap with Mitch, and we see Cairns for Smith.  Unless Murphy earns a look -- I'd like to see him back in at some point, his enthusiasm last year was wonderful.

[Swampy]

"It got even tougher as we lost <--PLAYER--, with some additional descriptive text> and <--PLAYER--, with some additional descriptive text> and our captain Mitch Vanderlaan who will be out for the rest of the regular season. These injuries will hurt but others will need to step up."

There is some ambiguity in this quotation: Is the "who" singular or plural? But the following from the Daily Sun article clears things up:

Schafer said he hopes to have the captain back for the playoffs.

This would imply that Smith and Donaldson could be back at any time, before or after the playoffs.

[Cop at Lynah]

Locke,Angello and Malott would be a formidable line

[Cop at Lynah]

He blocked a shot with his shin or foot not exactly sure which.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

He blocked a shot with his shin or foot not exactly sure which.

Judging by the sound, I think it was his foot or his ankle.  Certainly something unpadded.

[upprdeck]

Stewart dress last weekend so thats a good sign for at least him getting back on the ice.

[Swampy]

He blocked a shot with his shin or foot not exactly sure which.

Judging by the sound, I think it was his foot or his ankle.  Certainly something unpadded.

From my experience, a sprained ankle could fit the description and timeline. Maybe one of the MD's on this list could offer an opinion.

[KenP]

How much do you think Schafer is "playing it safe" given our record?  I know all the catch phrases like we need to take it one game at a time, first goal is the regular season, blah blah.  Would he sideline a marginally ready skater so they are closer to 100% for post-season??

What would you do if your player was just over the cusp of being ready to play tomorrow given there are (hopefully) four weeks of increasingly difficult post-season weekends on the horizon?

[Trotsky]

How much do you think Schafer is "playing it safe" given our record?  I know all the catch phrases like we need to take it one game at a time, first goal is the regular season, blah blah.  Would he sideline a marginally ready skater so they are closer to 100% for post-season??

What would you do if your player was just over the cusp of being ready to play tomorrow given there are (hopefully) four weeks of increasingly difficult post-season weekends on the horizon?

That's always a hard call.  The 3-point cushion over Clarkson takes a little of the urgency out of that game.  The other two things working in that theory's favor are: (1) the next men up on both F (Tschantz) and D (Cairns) are hardly incompetent, and (2) we really do not have a margin for another extended injury at either position as the full roster is permanently short 1 F (Hoffman) and 2 Ds (Shore, Bliss).

[BearLover]

I would play it safe given that we have nearly clinched a r1 bye and NCAA bid. I unfortunately think there is still quite a gap between our 6th D when everyone is healthy (probably Haiskanen) and Cairns. I am confident Cairns will develop into a good player but at the moment he looks pretty shaky in his positioning and in his spot passing (i.e. it seems he hasn't grasped The System especially well).

Also, re: ethics, I think the only ethical grey area here is whether there is something problematic about signing up for an opposing team's mailing list just to glean injury information.

Whether to post about injuries mentioned in Schafer's weekly letter is a practical, not ethical, issue: we don't want other teams finding out. Obviously Schafer stating the injury situation/the Sun publishing it renders this conversation moot, but I have gotten the sense that when Schafer says something in the weekly email or at a Coach's Club meeting, but doesn't disclose it outside of that, he means for it to stay private (i.e., we probably shouldn't post about it here).

[marty]

Obviously Schafer stating the injury situation/the Sun publishing it renders this conversation moot, but I have gotten the sense that when Schafer says something in the weekly email or at a Coach's Club meeting, but doesn't disclose it outside of that, he means for it to stay private (i.e., we probably shouldn't post about it here).

I think coach releases what he is comfortable releasing.  Notice he didn't give a clinical description of what the injury is and how severe it is.  If someone were Vanderlaan's roommate and disclosed it was a bruised C3 vertebrae,  that would be treasonous.  Once Schafer has gone public,  I consider it public.

And if he does regret mentioning it in the email, in this instance, I assume he won't did it again.

P.S. My phone has apparently learned Vanderlaan's name so that I can swipe it into a message.  I am fairly certain I didn't add it to the dictionary.
::wow::

[ugarte]

Whether to post about injuries mentioned in Schafer's weekly letter is a practical, not ethical, issue: we don't want other teams finding out. Obviously Schafer stating the injury situation/the Sun publishing it renders this conversation moot, but I have gotten the sense that when Schafer says something in the weekly email or at a Coach's Club meeting, but doesn't disclose it outside of that, he means for it to stay private (i.e., we probably shouldn't post about it here).

There is nothing - literally nothing - that Schafer puts in the alumni newsletter or says in a group setting - that he doesn't expect to show up in the IJ.