Injuries

[Trotsky]

I cannot imagine that Mike would divulge confidential injury info to a mailing list, of any sort, expecting complete confidentiality.  Out of that entire list, Mike has to know that somebody will divulge that secret.  He would NEVER take that chance!!

Well then think of it this way.  If Mike wants to share it with a select few rather than with the press, why flaunt that?

[dbilmes]

The Cornell Sun has just posted a story online. Apparently, Schafer divulged the information during his "media availability day." Regardless of what is posted on this listserv, it's difficult to imagine that any upcoming opponents who want to get this type of information before they play us will have trouble finding it. Schafer also talked about injuries to at least three other players, including one who is expected to return to the lineup this weekend.

[BearLover]

Will sharing the info here be sharing it with Clarkson & SLU, who probably aren't on Schafer's distribution list?

I guess that's kind of what I am asking.

On the one hand, if opposing teams really are interested in that information it is not ridiculous to think they would have someone check sites like this. It's also not ridiculous to think that if they really want the information, they could get an address into the distribution list, and get the information directly. I just don't know, but would prefer to err on the side of caution, since Greg was clearly concerned about the original post.

I think there's a pretty stark ethical contrast between checking a public forum and actively signing up for a non-public mailing list. I'm also a little bit surprised Schafer would go public with this information. He is usually tight-lipped about injuries, but maybe that is more the result of nobody asking than it is him concealing information from the opposition. I still think we shouldn't discuss anything that isn't public.

[andyw2100]

Based on what people have been posting, I think it is probably safe to share the following.

Below is an excerpt from the email message I mentioned, with the names of players who have not yet been mentioned in this thread redacted.

"It got even tougher as we lost <--PLAYER--, with some additional descriptive text> and <--PLAYER--, with some additional descriptive text> and our captain Mitch Vanderlaan who will be out for the rest of the regular season. These injuries will hurt but others will need to step up."

When I first read that I couldn't tell whether or not all three players were out through the end of the regular season or whether Schafer was just referring to Vanderlaan being out that long. I thought it was almost certainly the latter, but I really wasn't certain. So I was relieved when I saw the first post in this thread, since I already knew about Vanderlaan.

[ugarte]

this discussion is ridiculous. if schafer sent the invitation to the mailing list of course you can post it here and you should. there is no real ethics point you are making by holding back what is essentially public information in any rational sense of the word and there is literally no competitive advantage because anything you think you're preserving is certainly known to whoever you are keeping it from.

whatever the cause, this really sucks about vanderlaan. i don't even remember the play that knocked him out of the RPI game.

[Trotsky]

this discussion is ridiculous. if schafer sent the invitation to the mailing list of course you can post it here and you should. there is no real ethics point you are making by holding back what is essentially public information in any rational sense of the word and there is literally no competitive advantage because anything you think you're preserving is certainly known to whoever you are keeping it from.

We're on to you, joecct!

[French Rage]

this discussion is ridiculous. if schafer sent the invitation to the mailing list of course you can post it here and you should. there is no real ethics point you are making by holding back what is essentially public information in any rational sense of the word and there is literally no competitive advantage because anything you think you're preserving is certainly known to whoever you are keeping it from.

We're on to you, joecct!

LOL

[Jim Hyla]

this discussion is ridiculous. if schafer sent the invitation to the mailing list of course you can post it here and you should. there is no real ethics point you are making by holding back what is essentially public information in any rational sense of the word and there is literally no competitive advantage because anything you think you're preserving is certainly known to whoever you are keeping it from.

whatever the cause, this really sucks about vanderlaan. i don't even remember the play that knocked him out of the RPI game.

Totally agree. Coach said this and the Sun reported it. It's hard to get more public than that. And even if the NC schools didn't find out, they will soon know when he's not on the game roster. If they do know, they don't know how we're going to adapt to it, so no real competitive advantage.

To me this whole "controversy" is laughable. If it's on twitter, the news, or from the coach, it's public.

[andyw2100]

this discussion is ridiculous. if schafer sent the invitation to the mailing list of course you can post it here and you should. there is no real ethics point you are making by holding back what is essentially public information in any rational sense of the word and there is literally no competitive advantage because anything you think you're preserving is certainly known to whoever you are keeping it from.

whatever the cause, this really sucks about vanderlaan. i don't even remember the play that knocked him out of the RPI game.

Totally agree. Coach said this and the Sun reported it. It's hard to get more public than that. And even if the NC schools didn't find out, they will soon know when he's not on the game roster. If they do know, they don't know how we're going to adapt to it, so no real competitive advantage.

To me this whole "controversy" is laughable. If it's on twitter, the news, or from the coach, it's public.

"The Cornell Daily Sun" tweeted about Vanderlaan, but not any other players, at least as far as I know. Greg and Beeeej, long-time eLynah members whose opinion I respect (just as I respect yours, Jim) suggested caution with respect to posting information here, so I chose not to include names of players that I had not seen publicized anywhere other than Schafer's email message.

I don't think anyone was concerned about the posting of the Vanderlaan information.

[Trotsky]

My original comments seem to have been phrased poorly as they have led to much misunderstanding, so please let me try again.

(clears throat)

Hey, everybody?  How we all doing today?  Good?

That's good.

Hey, I just wanted to suggest that maybe when discussing things like injuries -- and hey I'm embarrassed to even bring this up because you know we're all adults here and obviously we're all just trying to do the right things, so take that as read -- but I'm just suggesting, for my own piece of mind, you understand, and no aspersions on you you know, that we maybe just take a second before posting and
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


USE SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.
 
 
 
 
 


That OK with everybody?  We still all good?

That's good.

[Swampy]

Lots of good information here: http://cornellsun.com/2018/02/06/junior-captain-vanderlaan-to-miss-remainder-of-2017-18-season/

Very clear that V is out for RS but might be back afterwards.

[Trotsky]

Lots of good information here: http://cornellsun.com/2018/02/06/junior-captain-vanderlaan-to-miss-remainder-of-2017-18-season/

Very clear that V is out for RS but might be back afterwards.

That's a good article.

I wonder if Nick Foles can skate?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Lots of good information here: http://cornellsun.com/2018/02/06/junior-captain-vanderlaan-to-miss-remainder-of-2017-18-season/

Very clear that V is out for RS but might be back afterwards.

That's a good article.

I wonder if Nick Foles can skate?

He's ours...you can't have him.  Take Malcolm Butler.

[ugarte]

USE SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.

OK, here we go: it is not common sense to speculate, or to share information that you have received illicitly. It is also common sense to say "we have learned X from an email that was sent around." It is not common sense to dance around X and pretend you're protecting classified information.

[Jim Hyla]

USE SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.

OK, here we go: it is not common sense to speculate, or to share information that you have received illicitly. It is also common sense to say "we have learned X from an email that was sent around." It is not common sense to dance around X and pretend you're protecting classified information.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!