Polls 2017-18

[Jim Hyla]

Okay here they are, even if I'm a bit skeptical.

I'll even restate my objectives.

"We are a good team and if we can beat Clarkson sometime, Union at least once, and get to the ECAC finals, I'll be really happy and a believer. If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better."

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USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 29, 2018
Rnk Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll

[b][u]1 Cornell        (32) 18-2-1 978 2[/u][/b]
2 Notre Dame (17) 20-5-1 957 1
[b][u]3 Clarkson 19-4-3 881 3[/u][/b]
4 Denver        (1) 14-6-6 831 4
5 Ohio State 17-5-4 787 6
6 St. Cloud State 15-6-3 779 5
7 Minnesota State 19-7-0 735 7
8 Providence 17-8-3 610 10
9 Minnesota Duluth 14-11-3 545 9
10 North Dakota 12-8-8 535 11
11 Northeastern 15-7-4 529 8
12 Minnesota 16-13-1 451 13
13 Omaha        14-11-1 322 19
14 Bowling Green 16-8-6 310 15
15 Western Michigan 13-12-1 261 12
16 Boston College 13-10-3 219 16
17 Penn State 13-11-4 216 14
18 Wisconsin 13-12-4 190 18
19 Northern Michigan 17-10-3 167 20
20 Michigan 12-12-2 70 17

Other Receiving Votes: Maine 44, Bemidji State 23, Boston University 20,
UMass Lowell 19, [b][u]Harvard 9, Union 9[/u][/b], Colorado College 1, Mercyhurst 1, [b]Colgate 1[/b]


USA TODAY/USA Hockey Magazine

RANK SCHOOL      POINTS RECORD PREVIOUS
[b][u]1 Cornell (20) 496 18-2-1 4[/u][/b]
2 Notre Dame (14) 489 20-5-1 1
[b][u][b]3 Clarkson 425 19-4-3 2[/b][/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 381 15-6-3 3
5 Denver        369 14-6-6 5
6 Ohio State 359 17-5-4 6
7 Minnesota State 332 19-7-0 8
8 Providence 258 17-8-3 10
9 Northeastern 197 15-7-4 9
10 Minnesota Duluth193 14-11-3 13
11 North Dakota 191 12-8-8 7
12 Minnesota 142 16-13-1 14
13 Omaha        92 14-11-1 15
14 Bowling Green 62 16-8-6 NR
15 Boston College 30 13-10-3 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Western Michigan University, 26;
Penn State University, 17; University of Wisconsin, 7;
UMass Lowell, 5; [b][u]Union College, 5[/u][/b];
Northern Michigan University, 3; University of Michigan, 1

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 29, 2018
Rnk Team       (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Wisconsin (15) 26-1-1 150 1
[b][u]2 Clarkson 23-3-1 125 3[/u][/b]
3 Boston College 24-2-3 122 3
[b][u][b]4 Colgate        23-4-1 112 2
5 Cornell        13-7-2 83 6[/b][/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 17-7-4 76 5
7 Minnesota 19-8-2 65 7
[b][u]8 St. Lawrence 14-9-3 40 8[/u][/b]
9 Providence 14-9-6 22 10
10 Robert Morris 15-6-4 19 NR

Other Receiving Votes: Maine 7, Mercyhurst 3, Northeastern 1

Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings

Rank Team        PWR      W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank

1 Wisconsin 34 26-1-1 .9464 1 .6725* 1
[b][u]2 Clarkson 33 23-3-1 .8704 3 .6433* 2[/u][/b]
3 Boston College 32 24-2-3 .8793 2 .6343 3
[b][u]4 Colgate        31 23-4-1 .8393 5 .6239* 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 30 17-7-4 .6786 8 .5689 6
[b][u]6 Cornell        29 13-7-2 .6364 10 .5646* 7[/u][/b]
7 Minnesota 28 19-8-2 .6897 6 .5645 8
[b][u]8 St. Lawrence 27 14-9-3 .5962 13 .5452 9[/u][/b]
9 Providence 26 14-9-6 .5862 14 .5379 10
10 Northeastern 25 13-12-3 .5179 16 .5377 11
11 Maine        24 16-9-3 .6250 11t .5344 12
12 Robert Morris 23 15-6-4 .6800 7 .5316 13



[Trotsky]

I'm not following what there is to be skeptical about.  PWR is math.  The polls are just a bunch of old white dudes' opinions like ours'.

If you doubt the metrics capture an underlying objective value, well, yeah -- I'm sure they don't, but that loose coupling of the indicator and the indicated is always with us; it didn't just pop into being when we got to be #1.

You are what your record says you are, and right now, despite a lousy SOS on the PWR, despite EZAC bias from the polls, we are #1.  By definition, that means... we are #1.

C'est une pipe.

[Trotsky]

If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.

One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path.  There was no last year; there will be no next year.  Time has stopped.  This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space.  It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.

Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often.  I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise.  I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.

[Tcl123]

If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.

One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path.  There was no last year; there will be no next year.  Time has stopped.  This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space.  It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.

Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often.  I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise.  I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.

+1!!!!

[ugarte]

I'm not following what there is to be skeptical about.  PWR is math.  The polls are just a bunch of old white dudes' opinions like ours'.

Yeah, but what is math? Our #1 ranking says that we are doing almost as well as possible against a mediocre slate. That doesn't make it *not* a mediocre slate and it isn't nuts to be skeptical. Blind obedience to the machines is the crazy path here when we know the inputs and are identifying the issues with them. It's not like we're mumbling about intangibles.

[scoop85]

If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.

One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path.  There was no last year; there will be no next year.  Time has stopped.  This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space.  It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.

Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often.  I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise.  I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.

Well, I too am almost 55 and just got off the elliptical :-P. But I'm also a cancer survivor who can stand to lose a few pounds, and I'd like to see Cornell win a team championship in an NCAA sport (sorry, polo team) before I kick. I was there in Foxboro in 2009 for the game that shall not be named, and this year's team at least gives us a chance to dream. There are some very good teams out there, but I don't see anything like Maine with Paul Kariya on the horizon.

We have a solid and deep team, and hopefully will get Green and Malott back soon—I thought we were running out of gas at the end of the Dartmouth game. If we can maintain our health and stay aggressive on offense, I think we can be in the mix.

[BearLover]

If we don't get Green back (no reason to think we wouldn't, as far as I know), we are in huge trouble. Mallott is a great player, but we are way deeper at forward.

Re: rankings, expectations, etc.: yeah, Cornell isn't the best team in the country. The team with the #1 ranking, only twenty games into the season, rarely is. In addition to the small sample size it has to work with, the PWR is imperfect in how it doesn't take into account score differential, or lucky bounces, or injuries. And even if we were the best team going into the NCAAs, our chances of winning it all would be, what, 1-in-8?

What our amazing start affords us is an opportunity--we have positioned ourselves to make a run, in the ECAC and in the NCAA. That's all you can ask for going into a single-elimination hockey tournament. Expecting anything more than that is just setting yourself up to be disappointed. In the end, it will be the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah, not any number of championships, that we look back on most fondly.

[Trotsky]

Well, I too am almost 55 and just got off the elliptical

"Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell records" / "Well I do.

So fuck him and fuck you too."

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Do we still have to put emoticons on everything?

[Scersk '97]

In the end, it will be the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah, not any number of championships, that we look back on most fondly.

Actually, most of the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah moosh into each other over time. (Except for, off the top of my head, vs. Harvard in fall '95; vs. Vermont in fall '96; vs. Princeton in winter '94; etc.) It's the nights at other schools' rinks that are burned into my head. Many of my favorite memories from days on the Hill burnish following the team on the road and the resultant hijinks to a nostalgic sheen.

[Trotsky]

Some perspective:

Prior #1s in USCHO poll closest to 29 Jan, and their fate:

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Year Team        1/29ish Final NC$$ Stretch[hr]2018 [color=#b31313]Cornell[/color]        18-2-1
2017 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 28- 7-7   2 11-2-3
2016 Quinnipiac 20-1-5 32- 4-7   2 12-3-2
2015 North Dakota 18-5-2 29-10-3  SF 11-5-1
2014 Minnesota 18-2-4 28- 7-6   2 10-5-2
2013 Minnesota 18-4-4 26- 9-5  1R 11-5-1
2012 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 25-10-6  QF 8-5-2
2011 Boston College 18-6-0 30- 8-1  1R 12-2-1
2010 Miami        18-4-6 29- 8-7  SF 11-4-1
2009 Notre Dame 19-3-3 31- 6-3  1R 12-3-0
2008 Miami        25-3-0 33- 8-1  QF 8-5-1
2007 New Hampshire 19-4-1 26-11-2  1R 7-7-1



All 11 made the tournament.

7 won at least one round.

5 made the Frozen Four.

3 were runners-up

Zero won the national title.

[upprdeck]

by that math odds say it has to happen some time.

[Beeeej]

by that math odds say it has to happen some time.

Odds don't work that way. The law of large numbers simply says it's extremely likely to happen sometime.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

STFU and enjoy the damn ride, all of you!

::drive::

[BearLover]

Zero won the national title.

How about #1s at the start of the NCAAs?

[KenP]

Zero won the national title.

How about #1s at the start of the NCAAs?

How about #1s at the end of the NCAAs?