Recruits 2014

Started by Trotsky, February 11, 2014, 08:58:13 AM

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Swampy

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Quote from: SwampyYes, but BRPH lists him as 2015. Our very strong current class of juniors will have graduated by the time Chad arrives on the hill.

Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

As we've seen this year with Matt Buckles, even extraordinary scorers take some time to adjust to the college game. So while the pipeline looks very good, and next year's team should be a serious contender for league and national honors, (and with no disrespect for the incoming class) I'm afraid the pipeline is not going to add a tremendous amount of firepower to the 2014-2015 team. OTOH, defensemen Bliss and Wedman may be able to help out significantly.
Putting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way.  Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey.  I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.
If you're a star for Delbarton lacrosse, you're a stud and probably headed D1. A couple Delbarton hockey alumni have done well in college. Not every player will be a star. Delbarton is the school for Chris Christie's kids.

Do they study traffic?

ithacat

Quote from: RatushnyFanPutting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way.  Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey.  I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.

Kenny Agostino went to Delbarton. His senior year he scored 50 goals and had 33 assists -- looks like Otterman is at 24 and 15 (fwiw).

ajh258

Not sure if the has been mentioned elsewhere:

Link to USHL Release

QuoteIndiana Ice goaltender Hayden Stewart has committed to play college hockey at Cornell University following his USHL career.

The 19-year-old has been stellar for the Ice since being acquired in January, posting a perfect 6-0-0 record which included back-to-back shutouts against the Youngstown Phantoms on February 8th and 9th.  He has not allowed more than one goal in any of his six starts with the Ice, posting a 0.67 GAA and .971 SV% over that span.  Stewart began the season with the Dubuque Fighting Saints and compiled a 6-6-1 record over 13 appearances with the club.  His overall 2.30 goals-against-average in 19 games this season is the third best mark among USHL goaltenders.

https://twitter.com/cornellnews/statuses/437338658366947328

Trotsky

Interesting.  In addition to Gillam and Coon we'll now have Hackett (6/1/96) and Stewart (9/22/94).  With four years in the USHL and turning 20 in September, maybe this means Stewart will come in this fall and Hackett will delay.

RatushnyFan

Quote from: ithacatKenny Agostino went to Delbarton. His senior year he scored 50 goals and had 33 assists -- looks like Otterman is at 24 and 15 (fwiw).
Exactly, very different numbers.  Agostino is the exception rather than the rule.  Kenny also played with the New Jersey Colonials travel club team from Mite C through U18, I would argue that the Colonials were responsible for the bulk of his development, not Delbarton.  Club hockey is far more important than high school hockey in New Jersey.

pfibiger

Quote from: TrotskyInteresting.  In addition to Gillam and Coon we'll now have Hackett (6/1/96) and Stewart (9/22/94).  With four years in the USHL and turning 20 in September, maybe this means Stewart will come in this fall and Hackett will delay.

This is my guess too. Hackett seems to have struggled with injury and the transition to the USHL, so a year as the clear-cut #1 in the USHL probably will be a good thing for his development.
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scoop85

Certainly we're seeing a significant shift in our recruiting patterns -- many more guys coming from USHL and the other US junior leagues. As of now it appears we have no one coming from the BCHL. This could be related to a number of factors, but I would assume the change in assistant coaches over the last 5 years is a significant factor.

ursusminor

Quote from: scoop85Certainly we're seeing a significant shift in our recruiting patterns -- many more guys coming from USHL and the other US junior leagues. As of now it appears we have no one coming from the BCHL. This could be related to a number of factors, but I would assume the change in assistant coaches over the last 5 years is a significant factor.
IMHO it is a wise decision. Year by year the USHL has widened the gap between them and all other places from which D-I schools can recruit. Certainly players from many other leagues can jump into D-I hockey, but the USHL is by far the best league now. The BCHL probably is second best.

I don't follow Cornell recruits closely, but RPI recruits who switch from another league to the USHL have invariably had a decrease in production in the USHL which shows to me that the USHL provides stronger competition.

Trotsky

Personal networks seem to be part of it.  We had the Golden Horseshoe under Bertrand and Reycroft; with McCutcheon we had those Alberta links; early Schafer had the BCHL in general and Nanaimo in particular; now we have the USHL and the Texas connection (Stewart played for Corpus Christie).  It could also be a matter of player generations running dry: you recruit an 83 who then gets a pair of 84 teammates interested in you, who in turn attract an 85... eventually a couple years pass where there are no players from that source who are good prospects, the player relationship chains break, and when another prospect from the source crops up you have no insider edge.

cbuckser

Quote from: ursusminorRPI recruits who switch from another league to the USHL have invariably had a decrease in production in the USHL which shows to me that the USHL provides stronger competition.
In addition to being the league with the most talent, the USHL is a defense-oriented league. It prepares players extraordinarily well for Division I hockey.
Craig Buckser '94

RatushnyFan

Sam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats

TimV

Quote from: RatushnyFanSam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats

Excellent!  We play so many games with late one-goal leads that it would be great to have a strong empty-net guy.::nut::
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Robb

Quote from: RatushnyFanSam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats
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RatushnyFan

You can call him Darren if that makes you feel better.  He's an interesting story.......from the moribund U Illinois-Chicago program which was shut down to Lynah rink, how about them apples?  I was at Michigan getting my MBA in '95-'96, that UIC team was awful.