Frozen Four Pregame

[Jim Hyla]

All I can say about BC is WOW. Let's hope Union wins 1, but unless BC plays poorly I can't see them losing.

[judy]

I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

[French Rage]

I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

Ywah, it'll be much more fun rooting for the Union/Ferris winner there for the first time ever rather than BC/Minnesota there for the billionth time.

[Rita]

Who _will_ win or who do you want to win?

Will ugly rodents v. ugly birds be the 2nd game (I haven't looked for the schedule yet)? If the ice is going to be swallowed up, I would like to have Union-Ferris play before that happens.

[kingpin248]

Will ugly rodents v. ugly birds be the 2nd game (I haven't looked for the schedule yet)? If the ice is going to be swallowed up, I would like to have Union-Ferris play before that happens.

Correct. Union-Ferris at 4:30, BC-Minnesota at 8:00.

[jtn27]

I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

So basically this, but on ice?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucEa50RIpuw

[Jim Hyla]

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

While I hate to say it, the goofers are playing really well.

[jtn27]

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

[Rosey]

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

[jtn27]

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

According to this 2009 article from The Sun, "high priority enrollment" students receive grants instead of loans. I would imagine that Union does something similar.

[ugarte]

They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

[Jim Hyla]

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

As we know they will do this for any student, but I was really interested in what that really means at Union since it was specific athletic. Maybe I'll ask CHN.

[Trotsky]

They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

It's just some really early Ice Breaker exhibition for the 2012-13 season.

[Josh '99]

They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

This.