2012-13 Schedule

[jtwcornell91]

I think every school should follow THE Ohio State University's lead. THE Cornell University. THE University of Texas. THE University of California, San Diego. THE Tompkins-Cortland Community College.

THE Indiana University-THE Purdue University THE Indianapolis.

THE The Citadel.

LA La Sorbonne.

All of those are better than "THE U". ::yark::

Screw the Y! :-}

[Josh '99]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:

For reasons that I never tried to unravel, it is common on USCHO to refer to Minnesota-Duluth as the "THE University of Minnesota, Duluth" (tUMD).

I'm pretty sure they do that specifically to mock Ohio State.

Regarding that game at the start of 2002-03, my recollection also is that Cornell was badly outplayed (Ohio State had already played five games including a weekend trip to Alaska and outshot Cornell 29-13), and got bailed out by an awesome performance from LeNeveu.  The official Cornell Athletics recap seems to corroborate my recollection that Lenny was the star.

[Jim Hyla]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:

For reasons that I never tried to unravel, it is common on USCHO to refer to Minnesota-Duluth as the "THE University of Minnesota, Duluth" (tUMD).

I'm pretty sure they do that specifically to mock Ohio State.

Regarding that game at the start of 2002-03, my recollection also is that Cornell was badly outplayed (Ohio State had already played five games including a weekend trip to Alaska and outshot Cornell 29-13), and got bailed out by an awesome performance from LeNeveu.  The official Cornell Athletics recap seems to corroborate my recollection that Lenny was the star.

Agree, that's what happened.

[Trotsky]

I'm pretty sure they do that specifically to mock Ohio State.

Correct.  For that matter, references to tOSU on USCHO are made specifically to mock Ohio State, which only has about three fans on the board.

[jtwcornell91]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:

For reasons that I never tried to unravel, it is common on USCHO to refer to Minnesota-Duluth as the "THE University of Minnesota, Duluth" (tUMD).

I'm pretty sure they do that specifically to mock Ohio State.

Regarding that game at the start of 2002-03, my recollection also is that Cornell was badly outplayed (Ohio State had already played five games including a weekend trip to Alaska and outshot Cornell 29-13), and got bailed out by an awesome performance from LeNeveu.  The official Cornell Athletics recap seems to corroborate my recollection that Lenny was the star.

Yeah, but what do you know about the 2002-3 season?  It's not like you went to every game or something. :-}

[Tom Lento]

Next year's OOC schedule gets even better according to a player's family  - we're playing at Denver in the '12-'13 season.

Hopefully this means they come to Lynah the next year.

Would we go all the way out there for 1?  Because if not, then the NC schedule would be:

Michigan
Colorado College x 2
Denver x 2
Estero (Ferris, Maine, Minn-Duluth)

which sounds... implausible.

Not implausible, just more exciting than we're used to.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.  We've just never had a schedule even remotely that challenging.

I would think it's a lot more likely that Denver is a rumor and those last two slots will be our usual Niagara / RIT / Mercyhurst games.  Going out west first thing to play a team with a half dozen game under its belt is  un-Schafery.

I'm not so sure this is all that big a departure for Schafer. The NC schedule from 2002-03, when Cornell was expected to be at its peak:

@OSU
@WMU (2x)
BU (2x)
Estero (Maine/OSU)

Western Michigan was the weakest team in that schedule, and in the 2 years prior they were well over .500 so it wasn't obvious that they'd be a lower tier CCHA team at the time the schedule was made. That NC schedule was brutal by the standards of previous years.

The more recent talent peak for Cornell was probably the 2009-10 season, and the NC slate that year included BU, UNH, and 2x vs NoDak, plus CC in Florida.
2006-07 (RMU, RIT, Wayne State, Sacred Heart) and 2007-08 (RIT, BU, UMass, Niagara) were far weaker schedules set up for far weaker Cornell teams, and 2008-09 was somewhere in the middle for a team that was really 1 year away from its best shot on the national stage.

It might be that top teams are more willing to play Cornell if they expect the team to be good, but it does seem like Schafer loads up the NC slate in seasons where expectations are higher for Cornell. I can't imagine that's easy to do, so if this is by design good for him.

Edit to add - this doesn't mean that he'll necessarily relish going out west first thing in any season, but I think if it's the difference between a top tier opponent and some schlub team he'll go for the former in the years where the added experience is likely to matter more than an early NC win.

[French Rage]

It might be that top teams are more willing to play Cornell if they expect the team to be good, but it does seem like Schafer loads up the NC slate in seasons where expectations are higher for Cornell. I can't imagine that's easy to do, so if this is by design good for him.

Yeah that's what I want to know, is it just good coincidence or is it planned that the our most promising teams seem to have tougher OOC schedules?  In the 02-03 case, it definitely helped thm make a statement and also helped with the top PWR ranking.

[Chris '03]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:

For reasons that I never tried to unravel, it is common on USCHO to refer to Minnesota-Duluth as the "THE University of Minnesota, Duluth" (tUMD).

I'm pretty sure they do that specifically to mock Ohio State.

Regarding that game at the start of 2002-03, my recollection also is that Cornell was badly outplayed (Ohio State had already played five games including a weekend trip to Alaska and outshot Cornell 29-13), and got bailed out by an awesome performance from LeNeveu.  The official Cornell Athletics recap seems to corroborate my recollection that Lenny was the star.

You left out the part about the hot tub suite.

[Jim Hyla]

It might be that top teams are more willing to play Cornell if they expect the team to be good, but it does seem like Schafer loads up the NC slate in seasons where expectations are higher for Cornell. I can't imagine that's easy to do, so if this is by design good for him.

Yeah that's what I want to know, is it just good coincidence or is it planned that the our most promising teams seem to have tougher OOC schedules?  In the 02-03 case, it definitely helped thm make a statement and also helped with the top PWR ranking.

If I had to say, it would be that nothing happens by coincidence when you're talking about Coach Schafer.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

The more recent talent peak for Cornell was probably the 2009-10 season, and the NC slate that year included BU, UNH, and 2x vs NoDak, plus CC in Florida.

It might be that top teams are more willing to play Cornell if they expect the team to be good, but it does seem like Schafer loads up the NC slate in seasons where expectations are higher for Cornell. I can't imagine that's easy to do, so if this is by design good for him.

Expectations were exceedingly high my senior year (notwithstanding the horrible Bemidji State loss in the 2009 NCAA Regional Final). The 2010 NCAA Regional Semifinal loss to UNH epitomizes falling short of expectations. So, it seems to follow the Schaferian trend to which Jim and you allude. Schafer must think that this team is capable of something special next season.

[cbuckser]

It might be that top teams are more willing to play Cornell if they expect the team to be good, but it does seem like Schafer loads up the NC slate in seasons where expectations are higher for Cornell. I can't imagine that's easy to do, so if this is by design good for him.

Yeah that's what I want to know, is it just good coincidence or is it planned that the our most promising teams seem to have tougher OOC schedules?  In the 02-03 case, it definitely helped them make a statement and also helped with the top PWR ranking.

If I had to say, it would be that nothing happens by coincidence when you're talking about Coach Schafer.

In addition to agreeing completely with Jim, I want to point out that there is another side to the equation.  A difficult nonconference schedule challenges a great team to play well.  And the team becomes better and more prepared to win games against excellent teams in the NCAA Tournament.

[cbuckser]

Expectations were exceedingly high my senior year (notwithstanding the horrible Bemidji State loss in the 2009 NCAA Regional Final). The 2010 NCAA Regional Semifinal loss to UNH epitomizes falling short of expectations. So, it seems to follow the Schaferian trend to which Jim and you allude. Schafer must think that this team is capable of something special next season.

And he's right.  The team next season should rank up there with the 2002-03 and 2009-10 teams.  The latter team, though it won the ECAC Championship, underachieved.  The former team did not.

[CowbellGuy]

I think you're all reading too much into it. He schedules the best teams he can get, but he's also pretty adamant about his reciprocation policy, so that's limiting. And these things are often scheduled a couple years ahead of time. It's just a coincidence.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

I think you're all reading too much into it. He schedules the best teams he can get, but he's also pretty adamant about his reciprocation policy, so that's limiting. And these things are often scheduled a couple years ahead of time. It's just a coincidence.

Not to be contrary, but I know in the case of college football schedules are announced well in advance (seasons), why with college hockey do negotiations and arrangements continue, or seem to continue (per Berenson's comments), through the end of the season before when one would think, as you said, that they are in fact "scheduled a couple years ahead of time"?

[CowbellGuy]

I think you're all reading too much into it. He schedules the best teams he can get, but he's also pretty adamant about his reciprocation policy, so that's limiting. And these things are often scheduled a couple years ahead of time. It's just a coincidence.

Not to be contrary, but I know in the case of college football schedules are announced well in advance (seasons), why with college hockey do negotiations and arrangements continue, or seem to continue (per Berenson's comments), through the end of the season before when one would think, as you said, that they are in fact "scheduled a couple years ahead of time"?

I said "often," not always. Michigan at MSG is kind of a special-case scenario with 3 parties involved.