2012-13 Schedule

[Aaron M. Griffin]

No those jokes wouldn't work, as we don't refer to ourselves as the Cornell university, and even in the charter "the" was not capitalized. To my mind that means it is not part of our name.

I know that Ohio (State) has the penchants for capitalizing the article in its name which is laughable, but Cornell's charter does state:

To establish the Cornell University...

Perhaps more persuasively,

...are hereby created a body politic and corporate, to be known as the Cornell University, which university shall be located in the town of Ithaca.

I do find their insistence on capitalizing "the" comical, but technically most universities were chartered with "the" in their names as product of the eras in which they were chartered: "the Johns Hopkins University," "the Pennsylvania State University," "the Cornell University," "the Leland Stanford Junior University," etc. That's why I tend toward the use of "Ohio" for Ohio State. It annoys the Buckeye fans and it cannot be turned around against Cornell.

[jtn27]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvC28lctvn0&feature=related

[Jim Hyla]

No those jokes wouldn't work, as we don't refer to ourselves as the Cornell university, and even in the charter "the" was not capitalized. To my mind that means it is not part of our name.

I know that Ohio (State) has the penchants for capitalizing the article in its name which is laughable, but Cornell's charter does state:

To establish the Cornell University...

Perhaps more persuasively,

...are hereby created a body politic and corporate, to be known as the Cornell University, which university shall be located in the town of Ithaca.

I do find their insistence on capitalizing "the" comical, but technically most universities were chartered with "the" in their names as product of the eras in which they were chartered: "the Johns Hopkins University," "the Pennsylvania State University," "the Cornell University," "the Leland Stanford Junior University," etc. That's why I tend toward the use of "Ohio" for Ohio State. It annoys the Buckeye fans and it cannot be turned around against Cornell.

As I said, it wouldn't work against us. Try calling your university Cornell, not the Cornell, and see if anyone complains. Do the reverse, with emphasis on The Cornell, and see how many people think you're weird.::wtf::

[ursusminor]

You're all saying it wrong. It's "THE Ohio State University" not "Ohio State," "Ohio," or even "the Ohio State University." Allow Santonio Holmes to teach you:

For reasons that I never tried to unravel, it is common on USCHO to refer to Minnesota-Duluth as the "THE University of Minnesota, Duluth" (tUMD).

I did try tRPI for a while but got bored with it. For a while the school admins themselves wrote "Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, a Technological University." I think the reason for that was to indicate that RPI is a university even though the name doesn't contain the word.

[Scersk '97]

I did try tRPI for a while but got bored with it. For a while the school admins themselves wrote "Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, a Technological University." I think the reason for that was to indicate that RPI is a university even though the name doesn't contain the word.

I've never understood RPI's (administration's) nominal angst.  There's another "technological university" a bit further to the east that's just a "'Tute" (even of "Tech" ), and they seem to do just fine without all the handwringing.

[Ben]

No those jokes wouldn't work, as we don't refer to ourselves as the Cornell university, and even in the charter "the" was not capitalized. To my mind that means it is not part of our name.

I know that Ohio (State) has the penchants for capitalizing the article in its name which is laughable, but Cornell's charter does state:

To establish the Cornell University...

Perhaps more persuasively,

...are hereby created a body politic and corporate, to be known as the Cornell University, which university shall be located in the town of Ithaca.

I do find their insistence on capitalizing "the" comical, but technically most universities were chartered with "the" in their names as product of the eras in which they were chartered: "the Johns Hopkins University," "the Pennsylvania State University," "the Cornell University," "the Leland Stanford Junior University," etc. That's why I tend toward the use of "Ohio" for Ohio State. It annoys the Buckeye fans and it cannot be turned around against Cornell.

As I said, it wouldn't work against us. Try calling your university Cornell, not the Cornell, and see if anyone complains. Do the reverse, with emphasis on The Cornell, and see how many people think you're weird.::wtf::

The point (I think) Aaron is making is that we could choose to refer to Cornell as 'The Cornell University' -- but we don't. Students/fans/alumni of An Ohio State University insist on emphasizing the definite article, which makes it fair game for jokes.

[jtn27]

An Ohio State University

"An Ohio State University"?! "An"?!!? "AN"?!?! Need I direct you to the video I posted earlier? You should pay attention to Santonio Holmes. He's a very wise individual and has certainly done nothing to give you reason to doubt his judgment.

[jtwcornell91]

I did try tRPI for a while but got bored with it. For a while the school admins themselves wrote "Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, a Technological University." I think the reason for that was to indicate that RPI is a university even though the name doesn't contain the word.

I've never understood RPI's (administration's) nominal angst.  There's another "technological university" a bit further to the east that's just a "'Tute" (even of "Tech" ), and they seem to do just fine without all the handwringing.

And another Institute of Technology off to the West which happily refers to itself internally as "The University" despite not having the word "University" in its name.  (E.g., the PR department is called University News.)

[jtwcornell91]

Next year's OOC schedule gets even better according to a player's family  - we're playing at Denver in the '12-'13 season.

Hopefully this means they come to Lynah the next year.

Would we go all the way out there for 1?  Because if not, then the NC schedule would be:

Michigan
Colorado College x 2
Denver x 2
Estero (Ferris, Maine, Minn-Duluth)

which sounds... implausible.

Not implausible, just more exciting than we're used to.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.  We've just never had a schedule even remotely that challenging.

I would think it's a lot more likely that Denver is a rumor and those last two slots will be our usual Niagara / RIT / Mercyhurst games.  Going out west first thing to play a team with a half dozen game under its belt is  un-Schafery.

I think in '02-03 we immediately went out to OSU to kick things off.  It's not the easiest way to start, but great teams like that one still get it done, so it would say something about next year's team if they do the same.

I don't put Ohio and Denver in the same class of programs.

I went to that game. At that time "the" OSU had a nationally ranked program. They ended up the season with an NCAA bid, and it was one tough game. Now they aren't much, but then it indeed was a challenge.

At the time OSU was good at making the tournament and not scoring. I recall driving out to Ohio and passing Jim on the road somewhere in PA. That year OSU was in the east regional with CU. Their band had their mouthpieces confiscated by TSA at the airport.

It was a very tough game too, among the closest of the season. IIRC, Lenny stood on his head.

That game (along with one of the WMU games) illustrated how good the 2002-2003 squad was, in that even on an off night they managed to pull out a win.

[Jim Hyla]

No those jokes wouldn't work, as we don't refer to ourselves as the Cornell university, and even in the charter "the" was not capitalized. To my mind that means it is not part of our name.

I know that Ohio (State) has the penchants for capitalizing the article in its name which is laughable, but Cornell's charter does state:

To establish the Cornell University...

Perhaps more persuasively,

...are hereby created a body politic and corporate, to be known as the Cornell University, which university shall be located in the town of Ithaca.

I do find their insistence on capitalizing "the" comical, but technically most universities were chartered with "the" in their names as product of the eras in which they were chartered: "the Johns Hopkins University," "the Pennsylvania State University," "the Cornell University," "the Leland Stanford Junior University," etc. That's why I tend toward the use of "Ohio" for Ohio State. It annoys the Buckeye fans and it cannot be turned around against Cornell.

As I said, it wouldn't work against us. Try calling your university Cornell, not the Cornell, and see if anyone complains. Do the reverse, with emphasis on The Cornell, and see how many people think you're weird.::wtf::

The point (I think) Aaron is making is that we could choose to refer to Cornell as 'The Cornell University' -- but we don't. Students/fans/alumni of An Ohio State University insist on emphasizing the definite article, which makes it fair game for jokes.

I totally agree. Reread my posts. I understand that it works against OSU. My point to Aaron was against his sentence: 'Why the emphasis upon the article of "the" in the name of Ohio State? The same jokes could be leveled at Cornell as Cornell was chartered as "the Cornell University." '

I was disagreeing that they could be used against us. No, they couldn't be used against us because we don't say that.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

I was disagreeing that they could be used against us. No, they couldn't be used against us because we don't say that.

Objectively, we both have points. As I've said, I think the Santonio-Holmesian emphasis on "the" in "the Ohio State University" is comical and deserving of mocking. However, I don't think it's a good idea to mock a school, that is mocked among Big Ten institutions for being sub-par academically ("vocational" is the most tame insult I've heard in this realm), with the "haha you guys are foolish because you oddly emphasize 'the' in your institution's name while we've chosen to forget what our formal, chartered name is." Which is the greater virtue? To overemphasize the article in your institution's formal name? Or, to abandon use of the name with which your institution has been chartered?

I find it funny that we've taken such entrenched positions and caused the drift of the 2012-13 schedule thread. I'm honestly not that invested either way and my first post was just to defend my use of "Ohio" to refer to "the Ohio State University." I think that I've done that. This is among the first signs that it is the off-season. ;-)

[Jim Hyla]

I was disagreeing that they could be used against us. No, they couldn't be used against us because we don't say that.

Objectively, we both have points. As I've said, I think the Santonio-Holmesian emphasis on "the" in "the Ohio State University" is comical and deserving of mocking. However, I don't think it's a good idea to mock a school, that is mocked among Big Ten institutions for being sub-par academically ("vocational" is the most tame insult I've heard in this realm), with the "haha you guys are foolish because you oddly emphasize 'the' in your institution's name while we've chosen to forget what our formal, chartered name is." Which is the greater virtue? To overemphasize the article in your institution's formal name? Or, to abandon use of the name with which your institution has been chartered?

I find it funny that we've taken such entrenched positions and caused the drift of the 2012-13 schedule thread. I'm honestly not that invested either way and my first post was just to defend my use of "Ohio" to refer to "the Ohio State University." I think that I've done that. This is among the first signs that it is the off-season. ;-)

How did we get to virtue? All I said was that they couldn't use that comment against us, as we don't use the phrase "the Cornell U". That's my whole point, it wouldn't work. It means nothing to that point whether we were chartered as "the" or not. I'm referring to common usage. After all, most sports fans are not going to go look up the charter to see how to say Cornell.

[jkahn]

Next year's OOC schedule gets even better according to a player's family  - we're playing at Denver in the '12-'13 season.

Hopefully this means they come to Lynah the next year.

Would we go all the way out there for 1?  Because if not, then the NC schedule would be:

Michigan
Colorado College x 2
Denver x 2
Estero (Ferris, Maine, Minn-Duluth)

which sounds... implausible.

Not implausible, just more exciting than we're used to.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.  We've just never had a schedule even remotely that challenging.

I would think it's a lot more likely that Denver is a rumor and those last two slots will be our usual Niagara / RIT / Mercyhurst games.  Going out west first thing to play a team with a half dozen game under its belt is  un-Schafery.

I trust my source - I'll bet you a beer it's Denver.  Probably more likely we'd have CC at Lynah early and be at Denver in January.  Either way, we'd open vs. someone with several games under their belt - that's the Ivy/ECAC disadvantage that's hard to overcome unless the Ivy's increase from 29 games.  That late start, with OOC games coming early, works against our whole league when it comes to PWR (or even KRACH).

I found some corroborating evidence that we'll be at Denver this coming season:
http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2012/03/du-to-play-at-north-dakota-next-season.html

[Beeeej]

I appreciate the effort to leave the definite article out of Ohio State's name, but there's also an Ohio University - they don't play hockey, but it's probably worth throwing the "State" in there just to be clear.

I am aware. Ohio University does play hockey at the ACHA Division I level. It is one of the two most successful programs in the ACHA. Penn State is the other. I have developed the tendency to refer to Ohio State as simply "Ohio" because Ohio State loathes being referred to as anything that confuses it with Ohio University. Ohio State views Ohio University as inferior. Most of Ohio State's rivals in the Big Ten have taken to referring to it as "Ohio" in passing as a subtle form of needling. I can abandon this practice on non-Big Ten fora, but why abandon a practice that annoys clearly the Buckeyes?

You mean besides 1) Ohio State fans never visit eLF, so it's completely pointless, and 2) it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about until you explain it in detail?  You're right.  Can't imagine why you'd abandon it.

[jtn27]

I was disagreeing that they could be used against us. No, they couldn't be used against us because we don't say that.

Objectively, we both have points. As I've said, I think the Santonio-Holmesian emphasis on "the" in "the Ohio State University" is comical and deserving of mocking. However, I don't think it's a good idea to mock a school, that is mocked among Big Ten institutions for being sub-par academically ("vocational" is the most tame insult I've heard in this realm), with the "haha you guys are foolish because you oddly emphasize 'the' in your institution's name while we've chosen to forget what our formal, chartered name is." Which is the greater virtue? To overemphasize the article in your institution's formal name? Or, to abandon use of the name with which your institution has been chartered?

I find it funny that we've taken such entrenched positions and caused the drift of the 2012-13 schedule thread. I'm honestly not that invested either way and my first post was just to defend my use of "Ohio" to refer to "the Ohio State University." I think that I've done that. This is among the first signs that it is the off-season. ;-)

I like the way you turned Santonio Holmes' name into an adjective.