Maryland 70 Cornell 62

Started by phillysportsfan, December 11, 2011, 06:46:55 PM

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phillysportsfan

Quote from: Chris '03Anyone actually get redcast to work tonight? All I got was music. ::flipd::

http://twitter.com/#!/CornellSports/status/154393188948385792
apparently there was a fire at Hits 103.3

phillysportsfan

Amazing how this team doesnt quit, they really could have packed it in after 15-0 and when the lead got to 23. Now if they could only win a tight road game. You would think they could win one of these by dumb luck with as many close road games as they have had.

All those chucked 3's at the beginning really killed them, would be nice for this team lose their identity as a 3pt shooting team, that was Donahue's style. We dont run a good enough half court offense to get enough good open looks like we did under Donahue and we dont have the players anymore. Only Ferry is a good 3pt shooter, Wrobo was but has had a rough year. We got 2 guards that can beat guys off the dribble in Cancer and Cherry and 2 guys solid around the basket with Eitan and Miller, we should not be chucking 3's. Next year we wont have any good consistent 3pt shooters, maybe this recruit Cressler?

Hard to knock Ferry as he has been a consistent 3pt shooter all season but that is all he does well. 1-9 is not acceptable especially since we win this game if he has a decent night. His 3's in transition are also a real killer, gives the opponent the ball right away and kills any momentum we have.

solid game from Eitan, he is very quick around the basket and beat Len a few times. He just needs to stay out of foul trouble

Biggest positive out of this game was the breakout game for Cherry. I was really impressed, he can make jump shots and beat guys off the dribble to get to the basket. Definitely should see a lot of him around Ivy play.

With Cherry's emergence interested to see what this team can do now that Ivy play is here. Have to be excited for the future though, Cancer, Miller, Cherry for 3 more years + 2 more years of Peck and 2 good big men recruits in Bunce and Harmon

css228

Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Should be able to  hit the +1 button multiple times when it involves Harvard sucking

scoop85

Quote from: phillysportsfanAmazing how this team doesnt quit, they really could have packed it in after 15-0 and when the lead got to 23. Now if they could only win a tight road game. You would think they could win one of these by dumb luck with as many close road games as they have had.

All those chucked 3's at the beginning really killed them, would be nice for this team lose their identity as a 3pt shooting team, that was Donahue's style. We dont run a good enough half court offense to get enough good open looks like we did under Donahue and we dont have the players anymore. Only Ferry is a good 3pt shooter, Wrobo was but has had a rough year. We got 2 guards that can beat guys off the dribble in Cancer and Cherry and 2 guys solid around the basket with Eitan and Miller, we should not be chucking 3's. Next year we wont have any good consistent 3pt shooters, maybe this recruit Cressler?

Hard to knock Ferry as he has been a consistent 3pt shooter all season but that is all he does well. 1-9 is not acceptable especially since we win this game if he has a decent night. His 3's in transition are also a real killer, gives the opponent the ball right away and kills any momentum we have.

solid game from Eitan, he is very quick around the basket and beat Len a few times. He just needs to stay out of foul trouble

Biggest positive out of this game was the breakout game for Cherry. I was really impressed, he can make jump shots and beat guys off the dribble to get to the basket. Definitely should see a lot of him around Ivy play.

With Cherry's emergence interested to see what this team can do now that Ivy play is here. Have to be excited for the future though, Cancer, Miller, Cherry for 3 more years + 2 more years of Peck and 2 good big men recruits in Bunce and Harmon

Good analysis.  Opponents do not respect our inside game enough to pack-it-in, so we don't get nearly as many open looks from 3 as we did with our "Big 3" teams.

mountainred

Quote from: phillysportsfan
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.

yeah this should put an end to all the ESPN Harvard hype

Don't trust ESPN to be logical, but Harvard's resume is based almost exclusively on the Florida State win that is not holding up real well.

billhoward

Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.

Trotsky

Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Yes.  I'll be rooting for them.  A rising tide lifts all yachts.

mountainred

Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: phillysportsfanAmazing how this team doesnt quit, they really could have packed it in after 15-0 and when the lead got to 23. Now if they could only win a tight road game. You would think they could win one of these by dumb luck with as many close road games as they have had.

All those chucked 3's at the beginning really killed them, would be nice for this team lose their identity as a 3pt shooting team, that was Donahue's style. We dont run a good enough half court offense to get enough good open looks like we did under Donahue and we dont have the players anymore. Only Ferry is a good 3pt shooter, Wrobo was but has had a rough year. We got 2 guards that can beat guys off the dribble in Cancer and Cherry and 2 guys solid around the basket with Eitan and Miller, we should not be chucking 3's. Next year we wont have any good consistent 3pt shooters, maybe this recruit Cressler?

Hard to knock Ferry as he has been a consistent 3pt shooter all season but that is all he does well. 1-9 is not acceptable especially since we win this game if he has a decent night. His 3's in transition are also a real killer, gives the opponent the ball right away and kills any momentum we have.

solid game from Eitan, he is very quick around the basket and beat Len a few times. He just needs to stay out of foul trouble

Biggest positive out of this game was the breakout game for Cherry. I was really impressed, he can make jump shots and beat guys off the dribble to get to the basket. Definitely should see a lot of him around Ivy play.

With Cherry's emergence interested to see what this team can do now that Ivy play is here. Have to be excited for the future though, Cancer, Miller, Cherry for 3 more years + 2 more years of Peck and 2 good big men recruits in Bunce and Harmon

Good analysis.  Opponents do not respect our inside game enough to pack-it-in, so we don't get nearly as many open looks from 3 as we did with our "Big 3" teams.

Pretty dead on.  The ESPN3 announcers were (rightfully) getting on the offense for not moving during long stretches of the game.  Eitan should touch the ball on each possession, if for no other reason than slowing our tendency to shoot a quick 3-pointer.

My memory (quickly checked on the play-by-play) is that Cornell twice had the ball and the chance to tie or take the lead in the second half and each time missed a three.  One on the always infuriating three in transition. ::smashfreak::

mountainred

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Yes.  I'll be rooting for them.  A rising tide lifts all yachts.

To each their own but not me.  There is something sleazy about Amaker that I just don't like.  Plus, Harvard sucks.

RichH

Quote from: phillysportsfanAmazing how this team doesnt quit

I had to check to make sure I wasn't in the "sports cliches" thread by mistake. :-D  (I kid, I keeeed)

RichH

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Yes.  I'll be rooting for them.  A rising tide lifts all yachts.

How many Ivy games have been played? Is it that clear-cut that we're already crowning them and slotting their regional seeding?

ugarte

Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Nope. I want the Sweet 16 to feel special for at least a decade... unless Cornell is winning the league again in which case another run would be nice.

Harvard's reputation doesn't hinge on the FSU win. They've also beaten Utah, BC* and St. Joe's. The former two aren't good BCS teams, but St. Joe's has been very good this year. Even the bottom of the BCS conferences are big wins for Ivy schools. But a loss to 7-6 Fordham? Even on the road, and even though they beat Georgia Tech too, that is death to a seed for a mid-major champ.

RichH: As for whether Harvard should be written in pen for the Ivy title, probably not - they choked last year, after all - but that wasn't my point anyway. If anyone was going to get a better seed than 13, it would be Harvard. If Harvard doesn't win the Ivy League, whoever goes in their stead is looking at a 14 or worse, depending on how the league schedule unfolds.

billhoward

It's Amaker's suit. The man has never owned a Harris Tweed in his life. There's a contract-release option if forced to wear penny loafers or anything that came from Freeport, Maine.

mountainred

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Nope. I want the Sweet 16 to feel special for at least a decade... unless Cornell is winning the league again in which case another run would be nice.

Harvard's reputation doesn't hinge on the FSU win. They've also beaten Utah, BC* and St. Joe's. The former two aren't good BCS teams, but St. Joe's has been very good this year. Even the bottom of the BCS conferences are big wins for Ivy schools. But a loss to 7-6 Fordham? Even on the road, and even though they beat Georgia Tech too, that is death to a seed for a mid-major champ.

No Ivy squad should ever apologize for beating a BCS team, but Utah is brutally bad and BC (sorry Coach D) isn't much better.  If you don't trust me, the all-powerful RPI says those are two of Harvard's three least impressive wins this season.  The St. Joe win (at home) will could well be the Crimson's best when the season ends and that won't get you a ton of love from the seeding committee.  Throw in one more loss anywhere along the way, and a 12/13 seed is about as good as it gets.

ugarte

Quote from: mountainred
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteHey Harvard, welcome to the 13 seed.
Doesn't anyone feel a band of brothers bonding with Harvard this year as an Ivy team that might have one, maybe two, wins in it come NCAA tournament time? Penn and Princeton carried the Ivy League banner for years, we did it for a couple, and now Harvard has the chance. Not saying I feel warm and fuzzy about the Cantabs myself.
Nope. I want the Sweet 16 to feel special for at least a decade... unless Cornell is winning the league again in which case another run would be nice.

Harvard's reputation doesn't hinge on the FSU win. They've also beaten Utah, BC* and St. Joe's. The former two aren't good BCS teams, but St. Joe's has been very good this year. Even the bottom of the BCS conferences are big wins for Ivy schools. But a loss to 7-6 Fordham? Even on the road, and even though they beat Georgia Tech too, that is death to a seed for a mid-major champ.

No Ivy squad should ever apologize for beating a BCS team, but Utah is brutally bad and BC (sorry Coach D) isn't much better.  If you don't trust me, the all-powerful RPI says those are two of Harvard's three least impressive wins this season.  
The point about Coach D was what I was going to say before I forgot to follow up on my footnote. I have no idea how long they'll let him hang in since Skinner had some success and they still canned him.

The Utah and BC games will look better in RPI when they play their conference schedule. That isn't actually a good point but rather a thing about RPI that is dumb.