Very RUDE and Ignorant Fans!

[KeithK]

[quote Kyle Rose][quote KeithK]ten years after graduating.[/quote]
That was #2, right? ;-)[/quote]
#3 actually.  I got the free M.S. in '96.

[perdon't]

So, I was asked if I was such a weak fan that I would rather get a refund than stay and sit through games.  Hmmmm, I'm not going to answer that.  Let me turn it around on you.

I talked to the ticket office.  They gave us 2 choices.  There are plenty of seats left in E for all of us standers to stand with the undergrads and we can easily exchange our seats for the E ones.  But, we were told that G is a student section and we would be allowed to stand in G if we'd prefer to keep our seats there.

Now, the un-ignorant thing to do would be to peacefully take the seats in E.  Hell, they're better seats, not behind the safety net, and surrounded by fans who want to stand and yell and cheer with us.  We're almost definitely changing our seats.

But since I've already been called ignorant, there's this devious little part of me that wants to keep my group in G and stand through EVERY SINGLE GAME.  Oh, and I wouldn't even be considering this if it weren't for the way we were treated by the sitters on Friday.

So back to your question, oh champions of 'fair' sitting:  if the only tickets left for the public are in G (not sure if that's the case), is it worth getting a refund on your season tickets if you have to choose between standing the whole game or not being able to see the rink?

let's see who the true fans are now.

[Lauren '06]

[quote perdon't]So back to your question, oh champions of 'fair' sitting:  if the only tickets left for the public are in G (not sure if that's the case), is it worth getting a refund on your season tickets if you have to choose between standing the whole game or not being able to see the rink?

let's see who the true fans are now.[/quote]
So you're equating "my experience is diminished by being told to sit" with "my experience is non-existant because the people in front of me are standing"?  I just want to make sure I follow your argument.

[Cactus12]

worst. fan. ever.

[Juzo]

PLease, PLease Let me add a comment. I must tell you that I have been to so many sporting events... I can not begin to count them.. but, I will try.
Let's see... T-Ball, Highschool Hockey, Wresteling, College Hockey, UHL, ECHL, AHL, NHL, College football, NFL, MLB and thier farm team games... Out of all of them, Cornell BIG RED has THE BEST FANS... The students are so full of life, chanting and having a good time getting into the game. That is part of College life for a student. Most of us can say we have been there and done that. However, the POST GRAD fans need to realize that they are in fact ....POST GRADS... THIS MEANS YOU ARE NO LONGER A STUDENT. This also means that the Post Grad people in section G hold tickets in a SITTING SECTION. This means you need to sit. If you want to stand with the other students ... go back to school and go stand in the STUDENT section. It really does not matter how many degree letters a person has after their name. This does not give them the right to be rude and disrespectful. No where else in my sporting experience have I ever seen such a rude group of people. No where else does this happen. This is how it works people... THE TEAM SCORES!!!!!! STAND, SCREAM, YELL, JUMP UP AND DOWN, HI 5, SCREAM AGAIN,   THEN SIT BACK DOWN... IT IS THAT SIMPLE !  Where have your manners gone, did you ever hear of common courtesy? Would you stand through an entire movie? would you stand in front of others at your childs school play or dance recitel? Of course not.. Then why is it ok to be in the way of others here. We have all paid our money and we all expect the same thing. To SEE a good game. That does not happen when others stand in front of you and all you see is their brand of Jeans. Thank you ... from a back row spectator.

[Dpperk29]

[quote perdon't]So, I was asked if I was such a weak fan that I would rather get a refund than stay and sit through games.  Hmmmm, I'm not going to answer that.  Let me turn it around on you.

I talked to the ticket office.  They gave us 2 choices.  There are plenty of seats left in E for all of us standers to stand with the undergrads and we can easily exchange our seats for the E ones.  But, we were told that G is a student section and we would be allowed to stand in G if we'd prefer to keep our seats there.

Now, the un-ignorant thing to do would be to peacefully take the seats in E.  Hell, they're better seats, not behind the safety net, and surrounded by fans who want to stand and yell and cheer with us.  We're almost definitely changing our seats.

But since I've already been called ignorant, there's this devious little part of me that wants to keep my group in G and stand through EVERY SINGLE GAME.  Oh, and I wouldn't even be considering this if it weren't for the way we were treated by the sitters on Friday.

So back to your question, oh champions of 'fair' sitting:  if the only tickets left for the public are in G (not sure if that's the case), is it worth getting a refund on your season tickets if you have to choose between standing the whole game or not being able to see the rink?

let's see who the true fans are now.[/quote]

Ignorant might have been the wrong adjective to describe you. After reading that post I would choose one that starts with an s.

Now I hate to rain on your day, but I have a feeling that if push comes to shove (and by the sound of things, it might) athletics will either force you to sit down or move your seats. I doubt they will risk pissing off a whole bunch of townies, potentially making them not renew there tickets next year. Most students buy season tickets for 2-4 years, maybe 6 if they go to grad school, townies buy tickets for decades. I highly doubt that Athletics/ticket office will do anything but help the townies.

All that being said, there is no reason to treat anyone inappropriately.

[sah67]

[quote perdon't]

let's see who the true fans are now.[/quote]

Yup...still not you. ::stupid::

And "un-ignorant"?  Does Cornell offer an intro English class for grad students these days?

[nr53]

[quote Juzo]However, the POST GRAD fans need to realize that they are in fact ....POST GRADS... THIS MEANS YOU ARE NO LONGER A STUDENT. This also means that the Post Grad people in section G hold tickets in a SITTING SECTION. This means you need to sit. If you want to stand with the other students ... go back to school and go stand in the STUDENT section. [/quote]

I think when they say "post-grad" they're referring to the fact that they're in grad school... so they're still students.

[KeithK]

[quote perdon't]But since I've already been called ignorant, there's this devious little part of me that wants to keep my group in G and stand through EVERY SINGLE GAME.  Oh, and I wouldn't even be considering this if it weren't for the way we were treated by the sitters on Friday. [/quote]
Now that's just being spiteful.  I don't blame you for it - I certainly indulge that little spiteful part of me from time to time.  But you know that doing it would be wrong so hopefully you will do the right thing and just switch seats as offered.

People on both sides need to remember that everyone involved is a Cornell hockey fan and wants to go to Lynah and enjoy the games.  They aren't your enemy even if they've done something to piss you off.  Again, be reasonable and be willing to compromise when appropriate.

[fattony]

You want to know spite?? I'm dropping out of Cornell over this whole issue!!

How do you like THEM apples??

[KeithK]

[quote Juzo]However, the POST GRAD fans need to realize that they are in fact ....POST GRADS... THIS MEANS YOU ARE NO LONGER A STUDENT.[/quote]
Not relevnt.  There's nothing magical about being a student that makes you able to chant and cheer at hockey fans.  Yes, it's more often done by students but there are plenty of alums and non-students who particpate in such things.

[quote Juzo]This also means that the Post Grad people in section G hold tickets in a SITTING SECTION. This means you need to sit. If you want to stand with the other students ... go back to school and go stand in the STUDENT section.[/quote]
Whether section G is a sitting section or a standing section is in dispute.  Some folks understood that it would be a standing section when they bought tickets.  Others assumed that it would be sitting.  I am pretty sure the ticket doesn't indicate which it is.

As for going back to school, see my first comment.

[quote Juzo]This is how it works people... THE TEAM SCORES!!!!!! STAND, SCREAM, YELL, JUMP UP AND DOWN, HI 5, SCREAM AGAIN,   THEN SIT BACK DOWN... IT IS THAT SIMPLE ![/quote]
Personally I find that watching hockey is much more enjoyable when I'm standing.  It's easier to shift position to follow the play that way, especially when the puck goes into one of the near corners.  I do this at Cornell agmes and I do this when I can at other college hockey games (managed to stand a lot in Denver this year) and at pro games as well.  "SIT DOWN...IT IS THAT SIMPLE" is garbage.  Now when I'm in the minority, which my preference certainly places me at most non-Cornell events, I have to find ways to do what I want that don't impact the majority. The same can be said here (althoguh I don't know the sit/stand breakdown in the section).

[KeithK]

[quote fattony]You want to know spite?? I'm dropping out of Cornell over this whole issue!!

How do you like THEM apples??[/quote]
Good riddance?

[redherring]

That's an interesting update Perdon't.  Maybe I will keep my tickets in G afterall - I actually prefer the view from that end.  A townie that works in the same building as I do came up to me and said that she and her husband love the students in G...and doesn't think that the majority of folks in G want the students out.  Sounds like it might just be that one cranky guy – Skipper?.  

that said: no one wants their view seriously obstructed.  And frankly, I don't think any of us students actually want to get in someone's way.  But that man in the back was WAY out of line.  Even the usher told him so.  If he had come down and talked to us nicely, it would be a different story.  And, in the end, when the ushers asked us to sit or move, we did.  Nobody was rude or disrespectful there.

When I tried to actually talk to the man in the back when he was so agitated, I told him that I thought we could find a solution, I asked him to talk to me about what his problem was.  When it was my turn, I explained how we've stood in G for several seasons, the fact that it is a student section, that this was the first time I'd heard that anyone was upset about it.  But he didn't want to come up with a solution, he wanted to yell and complain and insult us  – since we "don't have a four-year degree" and thus "don't know how to act at a hockey game".  The best was when he personally attacked my level of intelligence - I love that he complained that we were rude, especially as he was the one throwing insults and generally behaving like a child.  It was quite comical, actually.  but I digress – several points have been made about how out of line this guy was and how badly he handled himself...

As for now, I'd love to stay in G and stay standing with other fellow grad student fans.  Firstly, because I just like G.  Secondly, it will show the man in the back that you can't just walk into Lynah with your newly purchased season ticket, pitch a fit, and generally have it your way.  (frankly, I can't see how his view is really all that obstructed as he is in the very, very back row and we are all pretty close to the glass)  But if there is a real problem with people not being able to see– not just with the angry man in the back – then we'll sit or move, which is exactly what we did on Friday when asked politely by the usher.  (Contrary to earlier posts, the students all left or sat when asked to.)  There seems to be a lot of room in G, maybe us standers can move to one side of G (toward the corner) and the sitters can move to the other.   I understand the temptation to stand just to spite the man in the back, especially after receiving his abuse last Friday, but what I really want is for us to keep the spirit alive in G.  It was a pretty happy place (as far as I could tell) before Mr. Skipper or (whoever that man is) made such a fuss.  And all b/c he probably couldn't see one foot more of the ice.  So, I say, let's try to work it out next game – if we can't move around so that the sitters can see, then we move.  But if we can work it out, shuffle ourselves, move closer to the ice or the aisle, or whatever, then maybe we're all set.  And if the man in the back leaves b/c standing is allowed in G – good riddance, indeed.

[Trotsky]

Coupla things.  First, this isn't "majority rules."  Some people cannot stand -- standing in front of them prevents them from seeing the game.  Everybody can sit.  It's asymmetrical.

Secondly, a section of standing fans cuts off the view of shorter fans in the back when they look along the "long" axis.  It sucks not being able to see the corners.  A section of sitting fans doesn't create the same problem, since there's a greater uniformity of height above the waist.

If somebody asks you to sit, ask them to swap.  If they say no, sit down.

[hockeychick470]

If they sold their seats back, they could probably buy game-by-game tickets in the student section where they WOULD be allowed to stand AND watch the game.