Very RUDE and Ignorant Fans!

[hockeychick470]

Just out of curiosity (this doesn't really impact the conversation/argument) is this the group of grad students that has brought the "poop is brown" papers for at least the past 2 season?

[RichH]

Like clockwork, every three years it seems:

2002: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,9426
2005: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,69428

And here we are in 2008.  Only one person on this thread has made mention of it, but the solution developed this decade was to make Section G both standing AND sitting via a diagonal boundary.  The tickets sold to grad students were on the "standing" side of that boundary, and the townie tickets sold were on the "sitting" side of that boundary.  I remember at the beginning of one recent season, someone official-like (whether it was the rink staff or the ticket office or the ushers I don't know) placed sheets of paper on the seats before the doors opened to clearly mark which seats were "standing."  After that, there was no problem for the rest of the season.

Here's an ASCII drawing of the boundary line (looking at Section G from the playing surface):

-----------------
|\\       |
| \\       |
|  \\       |
|   \\   STAND    |
|    \\       |
|     \\       |
|      \\    |
|       \\     |
|        \\    |
|  SIT    \\    |
|       \\    |
|           \\    |
|         \\    |
|          \\    |
|            \\ |
------------------
      
   ICE 

The line was drawn so the seats at the top of the sitting section had a clear line-of-sight to the corner of the playing surface (it seemed).  This worked well, and I rarely heard any complaints after the first home weekend.

It's important to note that there were some students in the "sitting" side of the line, and they followed the guide after it was clearly defined.  It seems this season, there has been some mixed communications given to each group.  I fully admit that there were games when I wanted to stand, so I just moved over to the "standing" side of the line...one thing to remember is that in standing sections of the rink, the seat assignments are much more...fluid (shall we say) than the seated sections.  OK, so you aren't on your number...just make do.  Some games, like the Harvard game, are more difficult when tons of people are all showing up and jockeying for position.

Even if this elegant solution is cast to the wind, respect and compromise is definitely in order by the wanna-standers.  As pointed out before...not everyone is physically able to stand.  Please respect that.

Section G is like the Seinfeldian Black and White cookie of Lynah.

Look to the cookie, folks.  We can survive together.

[Dpperk29]

[quote RichH]

 ------------------
| \\       |
|  \\       |
|   \\       |
|    \\   STAND    |
|     \\       |
|      \\       |
|       \\             |
|        \\     |
|         \\    |
|  SIT     \\    |
|        \\    |
|            \\    |
|         \\    |
|          \\    |
|            \\  |
 ------------------
      
   ICE 

[/quote]

I always thought that they did this so the townies sitting on the end of section H closest to G could see the left side of the ice in the end closest to them.

[redice]

[quote RichH]

As pointed out before...not everyone is physically able to stand.  Please respect that.
[/quote]

Yes, and on a related note, could we please dispense with the "townies up" chant near the end EVERY GAME?   I can understand that certain game situations could inspire that chant.   But, it has become an EVERY GAME thing.   It's gotten old, folks!   Save it for times when the team really needs a pick-me-up from the crowd.

As a consequence of that practice, my wife is NEVER able to watch the final few minutes of a Cornell Hockey game.   Why?   Because the mindless sheep who sit in front of us jump to their feet when yelled at by a group of 18-22 year-olds on the opposite side of the ice.   We sit in Sec N.   And yes, standing is a problem for my wife.

[Rosey]

I'm sympathetic to the concerns of people who want or or need to sit.  However, I'm also sympathetic to the concerns of those of us who like to stand but can't get seats where we really want---somewhere in A-B,D-F---because Athletics for some reason won't issue non-students season tickets that have gone unsold in those sections.  Someone solve that problem, and it seems this issue goes away because the sitters can gladly have most of G.

Under the current circumstances, doing what Rich suggested is the best solution.  Could someone in town please present this to Gene and get some kind of official blessing for it?  There's absolutely no reason for this to be confrontational: there are enough seats for everyone in the section; the issue is simply placement.

However, if someone is too recalcitrant to move a few rows up or down to accommodate this solution, fuck 'em: let them watch someone's back the whole game.  You have to give a little to get a little.  In Lynah, section G *is* a student section by virtue of student ticket sales and, by tradition, the students get to stand.  Deal with it.  But deal with it *constructively*.

Kyle

[Josh '99]

[quote redice]Yes, and on a related note, could we please dispense with the "townies up" chant near the end EVERY GAME?   I can understand that certain game situations could inspire that chant.   But, it has become an EVERY GAME thing.   It's gotten old, folks!   Save it for times when the team really needs a pick-me-up from the crowd.[/quote]Seriously.

[dragonfan]

Every game this season has called for it and last game it worked!I do it and I love it!

[thorn]

I agree.  This has become a regular occurrence, and lost all meaning.  There's really no point to asking the entire rink to stand at the end of the game if we're going to do it every single game (and we do - not just these last few games but the last few years as well).  Can we retire that one?  I'm a student in section A, and I wish we'd just let the older fans be - especially with all the idiots in section A who were breaking out their keys last game when we were up by one.

[profudge]

There were idiots in N and M  also -  I even commented to friend that's tempting the WOOFING God  and  bang 3-4 seconds later =  tie game.

[RichH]

[quote profudge]There were idiots in N and M  also -  I even commented to friend that's tempting the WOOFING God  and  bang 3-4 seconds later =  tie game.[/quote]

Ah...THAT'S what Schafer was so upset about.  It was those fans who didn't adhere to the superstition rules!

[JDeafv]

Looks like the issue is "solved" for the remainder of the season:

[quote Athletics Ticket Office] Dear Section G hockey season ticket holder,

 Thank you for purchasing your Cornell Men's Ice Hockey season tickets and your continued support of the Big Red. With the increased sale of tickets in Section G to local fans (townies), it is necessary to prohibit standing in the section during play.

 In a show of respect to local fans, the Athletic Department asks that you do not block their view of the game by standing in front of them. Note: fans with seats in row 14 may continue to stand. If you prefer to carry on the tradition of standing during games it is asked that you return your tickets to the ticket office and exchange them for seats in section E. These seats will be yours for the remainder of the season, including the playoff games.

Please note that this policy is effective immediately and will be enforced at Saturday's game vs. Colgate.

 The Athletic Ticket Office is located in 103 Bartels Hall (just inside the front doors) and is open Monday-Friday from 10-5 p.m. Seat locations cannot be changed on game day.

 Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. [/quote]

[ugarte]

[quote JDeafv]Looks like the issue is "solved" for the remainder of the season:

[quote Athletics Ticket Office] Dear Section G hockey season ticket holder, ... If you prefer to carry on the tradition of standing during games it is asked that you return your tickets to the ticket office and exchange them for seats in section E. These seats will be yours for the remainder of the season, including the playoff games. ...  Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. [/quote][/quote]
I suppose this is the silver lining to not selling out?

[upperdeck]

I am wondering, they didnt sell out, and have a waiting list of 1-200 people.. So these sections are not available to the general public?

[Rosey]

Yeah, this is insanity: if those tickets were available to the general public, I would buy 4 tickets for all the remaining games right now.  Cornell, do you really not want my money?

Kyle