Very RUDE and Ignorant Fans!

[LoveMyDogs]

I was also one of the standing grads. We bought our tickets assuming that we would be allowed to stand as we had in the past. Gene in the athletics dept was told to sell the unsold G tickets to townies, putting sitters behind standers and creating this problem. Believe me, I would much rather be in Section B like the last few years than in *yawn, boring* section G. We proposed moving the standers to the aisle side of G and sitters toward the middle so that we wouldn't be blocking anybody but they didn't do it. It looks like the athletics department is going to let us switch into unsold undergrad seats on section E which will make everybody a lot happier. Having heard the things that Skip shouted at the grads near him, I can tell you that he is just as "rude and ignorant" as anybody blocking someone else's view!

[dag14]

"Yawn, boring" is how you describe fans who chooose not to stand up throughout a hockey game?  Just because people who have invested in season tickets choose not to stand up during a hockey game does not mean they are less committed than other fans.  Students who stand up and chant are not "better" fans than the rest of us.  There are a lot of people who attend hockey games who have been doing so since before the current crop of undergraduates were born, and before it was considered "cool" to stand up through out a game.  Heck, some of those fans would probably love to stand up throughout a game but they may not be physically able to do so.  Yoo hoo -- we are in the rink for the same reason.  Isn't our ultimate goal to support Cornell hockey?  Why is everyone bitching at each other rather than being a little more accepting aobut the different ways we are able to show support for our team.

[Jordan 04]

::popcorn::

[Beeeej]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Al DeFlorio][quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.[/quote]

It's Beeeej's fault, actually.  He can explain. ::crazy::[/quote]

This, I've gotta hear.

[Trotsky]

Swap.  Stand in the back, sit in the front.

[Grapefruit_is_great]

First.  Who cares when standing become the tradition.  It is irrelevant.

Second.  Everything that Redice said regarding Cornell students reflects what is wrong with this town.  Why is it always a town / gown issue?  Get over it.

Especially because the students in question are not undergraduates and do not fall in your category of special privileged little brats.

Third.  I was not able to find an actual document outlining the rules of conduct for spectators, but I would suspect that there is very little that can be legally done to prevent the offending students from standing.

Translated to mean that it is going to be a LONG season for everyone if the offending students tickets are not changed.

[Dpperk29]

[quote Trotsky]Swap.  Stand in the back, sit in the front.[/quote]

I think that is a bad idea. I know a lot of townies who specifically have seats in the top three rows because they have trouble with the stairs. Others with upper row seats have them because we like to see the play flow, which you cannot do as well from lower seats.

I would wager that the back of the ticket says something to the effect of that athletics can throw out anyone for not following as directed (I have never, and probably will never read the back of a ticket). so if they were told to sit, and they didn't, boot them.

[ebilmes]

The only relevant part on the back of the ticket might be "disruptive or disorderly conduct," which I guess could be cited if someone refuses to sit.

I suggest talking to Gene Nighman about this; I see no reason why this can't be resolved reasonably.

[Dpperk29]

[quote ebilmes]
 I see no reason why this can't be resolved reasonably.[/quote]

some people are stubborn, that could be a problem.

Personally, if I was told that my upper row seats in G were being switched to lower rows, I would refuse it. when you are a townie, and you buy a season ticket, you expect to do what the vast majority of people who watch sporting events in this country do (sitting). When I got tickets this year nothing was said about there being students who might be standing in front of me.

it'll get figured out, but I think the students are the ones who are going to either be relocated, or forced to sit down.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Beeeej][quote jtwcornell91][quote Al DeFlorio][quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.[/quote]

It's Beeeej's fault, actually.  He can explain. ::crazy::[/quote]

This, I've gotta hear.[/quote]

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,9426,9534#msg-9534

[quote Jeffrey "Beeeej" Anbinder]
The other half, and what sticks in my mind more thoroughly, is the letter I wrote to the Daily Sun as one of the skating Bears at the time in 1992.  I was trying to outline some of the major traditions for newer Faithful, and they altered something I'd written along the lines of "stand until Cornell has scored their first goal" to "stand until Cornell has scored three goals."

Needless to say they made that change without my permission, knowing that since I'd asked to have it published "anonymously" as the Bear, I would have no way of disputing their version.  I no longer spend much time dwelling on how asinine and unprofessional that was, but it's interesting to think that my letter and the Sun's idiocy contributed to a tradition that's still causing rifts.
[/quote]

Note that this appears in a thread from four years ago about disputes over standing vs sitting in ... Section G.  Plus ça change...

[KeithK]

[quote dag14]"Yawn, boring" is how you describe fans who chooose not to stand up throughout a hockey game?  Just because people who have invested in season tickets choose not to stand up during a hockey game does not mean they are less committed than other fans....[/quote]
Oh come on.  This is just taking offense for no reason.  Yes, the townie fans in G are probably boring from the student perspective.  The townies there could be the most dedicated and knowledgeable fans in the rink and they would still be boring to someone who bought tickets wanting to have the full Lynah Rink student experience. But it's OK - there are a lot worse things in life than to be considered boring by a bunch of kids.  (And of course, boring doesn't necessarily mean wrong in this instance.)

[sah67]

[quote Grapefruit_is_great]

Especially because the students in question are not undergraduates and do not fall in your category of special privileged little brats.

[/quote]

Funny...I know many graduate students to be special privileged little brats.  A bachelor's degree doesn't automatically grant you maturity, not does it automatically earn you respect from your peers or your elders, or even those horrible little undergraduates beneath your pedestal.

Speaking of "special" and "brats", I also enjoy the folks who create accounts on this forum just to bitch and moan about the man getting them down, and never to discuss hockey or the team itself.

[KeithK]

We've had this same sitting/standing argument/discussion on this board numerous times in the past, although it's more often in reference to road games.  The right thing to do is to work to find a solution that accomodates both sides to the greatest extent possible. Yes, it's wrong for student's to claim that they have some sort of constitutional right to stand and refuse to budge or accommodate.  It's also wrong for the sitters to to take an unbending attitude of "this is my seat and I'm going to sit right here" and then toss comments about being rude. Courtesy runs both ways and it'll be a much more enjoyable hockey season if something can be worked out early on.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote KeithK]It's also wrong for the sitters to to take an unbending attitude of "this is my seat and I'm going to sit right here" and then toss comments about being rude.[/quote]
Huh?  It isn't clear to me why it's "wrong" for a sitter to feel this way.  If someone buys a seat, has someone standing in front of him so he can't see the game, why shouldn't he think that's rude and speak accordingly?  If the ticket office screwed this up in allocating seats to students and non-students, then the person standing should sit, allow the person behind him to watch the game that he's paid to see, and deal with the ticket office later to get it resolved.  What's the sitter supposed to do?  Quietly stare at the standing person's behind for two-plus hours and then go home?

[Beeeej]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Beeeej][quote jtwcornell91][quote Al DeFlorio][quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.[/quote]

It's Beeeej's fault, actually.  He can explain. ::crazy::[/quote]

This, I've gotta hear.[/quote]

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,9426,9534#msg-9534

[quote Jeffrey "Beeeej" Anbinder]
The other half, and what sticks in my mind more thoroughly, is the letter I wrote to the Daily Sun as one of the skating Bears at the time in 1992.  I was trying to outline some of the major traditions for newer Faithful, and they altered something I'd written along the lines of "stand until Cornell has scored their first goal" to "stand until Cornell has scored three goals."

Needless to say they made that change without my permission, knowing that since I'd asked to have it published "anonymously" as the Bear, I would have no way of disputing their version.  I no longer spend much time dwelling on how asinine and unprofessional that was, but it's interesting to think that my letter and the Sun's idiocy contributed to a tradition that's still causing rifts.
[/quote]

Note that this appears in a thread from four years ago about disputes over standing vs sitting in ... Section G.  Plus ça change...[/quote]

Oh, yeah!  Thanks.  Well, they do say that the memory is the second thing to go as you age.