New Recruit for '08

ithacat · September 11, 2007, 09:23:16 PM

bothman,

I was responding to your assertion that you

Quote...don't see Cornell going out and beating the upper echelon teams for talent.

Ostensibly, you don't consider Denver, North Dakota, New Hampshire, and Michigan State "upper echelon" teams. Those are some of the schools Cornell's recruits for 2008 turned down. That was the discussion point.

It's clear that your real point, however, is that you think Harvard has a better class in 2008 than Cornell. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and (I suspect) you could find many Cornell fans who think very highly of Harvard's class. Donato's doing a great job. Enjoy it.

evilnaturedrobot · September 12, 2007, 03:06:50 AM

Harvard recruiting is, apparently, so good and intimidating that they've got the big boys of college hockey going to nefarious lengths to win recruiting battles. ([url=http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=68874&page=15][/url]) The major programs are beside themselves, unsure of how to deal with this new threat.

And all this despite the fact that Harvard hasn't really won much of anything on the national scale in a decade.

Robb · September 12, 2007, 07:03:56 AM

[quote evilnaturedrobot]And all this despite the fact that Harvard hasn't really won much of anything on the national scale in a decade.[/quote]

That's being pretty generous. Since the title in '89, Harvard is 1-7 in the NCAA tournament, including losses to lower-seeded teams in '93,'94,and '06, zero wins over higher-seeded teams, and infamously choking away a 4-1 lead with 16 minutes left in '04.

In that same span, Cornell also has made 7 trips to the NCAAs, and is 7-8 ('91 was a best-of-3 with Michigan), with 2 wins over higher seeded teams (Michigan in '91 and Mami in '96), and the only loss to a lower-ranked team being New Hampshire in '03 when Cornell was the #1 overall seed. 4 of those 15 games were played in the other team's home arena, (not even including the Wisconsin game in '06).

Trotsky · September 12, 2007, 10:44:08 AM

Not to mention Albany in 2002 and 2006. Oh wait.

Harvard's been the second-most successful team in the conference during the reign of The Stout One. I'd rather accentuate how INCREDIBLY well we've done than make specious statements about an opponent. The Crimson have been a fine team.

We've just been better. ::banana::

Josh '99 · September 12, 2007, 11:16:59 AM

[quote Robb][quote evilnaturedrobot]And all this despite the fact that Harvard hasn't really won much of anything on the national scale in a decade.[/quote]

That's being pretty generous. Since the title in '89, Harvard is 1-7 in the NCAA tournament, including losses to lower-seeded teams in '93,'94,and '06, zero wins over higher-seeded teams, and infamously choking away a 4-1 lead with 16 minutes left in '04.

In that same span, Cornell also has made 7 trips to the NCAAs, and is 7-8 ('91 was a best-of-3 with Michigan), with 2 wins over higher seeded teams (Michigan in '91 and Mami in '96), and the only loss to a lower-ranked team being New Hampshire in '03 when Cornell was the #1 overall seed. 4 of those 15 games were played in the other team's home arena, (not even including the Wisconsin game in '06).[/quote]Shooting fish in a barrel is fun, isn't it? ::rock::

jtwcornell91 · September 13, 2007, 03:04:21 AM

[quote Trotsky]Not to mention Albany in 2002 and 2006. Oh wait.[/quote]

2002 was in Lake Placid (the last one :`-().

Trotsky · September 15, 2007, 12:37:15 AM

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Trotsky]Not to mention Albany in 2002 and 2006. Oh wait.[/quote]

2002 was in Lake Placid (the last one :`-().[/quote]Really? Jesus, I'm old, I have no recollection of that. ::scared::

ursusminor · February 04, 2008, 04:28:40 PM

Chris Heisenberg lists a new recruit, Sean Collins a LW for the Waywayseecappo Wolverines (MJHL). Heisenberg lists him as 6'3" 190lb, Wayway lsits him as 6'0" 185lb. http://www.waywaywolverines.com/players.php

Edit:

Last year 59-21-35-56-22 (from Heisenberg)
This year 49-36-51-87-28 (from MJHL site)

calgARI '07 · February 04, 2008, 05:42:29 PM

[quote ursusminor]Chris Heisenberg lists a new recruit, Sean Collins a LW for the Waywayseecappo Wolverines (MJHL). Heisenberg lists him as 6'3" 190lb, Wayway lsits him as 6'0" 185lb. http://www.waywaywolverines.com/players.php

Edit:

Last year 59-21-35-56-22 (from Heisenberg)
This year 49-36-51-87-28 (from MJHL site)[/quote]

Wow, the third Sean Collins of the last 7 years in college hockey. The first was a stud for New Hampshire and other was a pretty damn good defenseman for Ohio State.

Good to see a higher-end potential top six powerforward type.

Trotsky · February 04, 2008, 06:34:41 PM

I want to hear the Waywayseecappo Wolverines cheers.

ben03 · February 04, 2008, 06:57:37 PM

nice to see our average size picking up again. so far the listed incoming classes now average:
6'1.25"
185.3 lb

evilnaturedrobot · February 04, 2008, 07:58:40 PM

Any word on the quality of the MJHL? It's listed as Junior A, but I'm guessing it's a step below the BCHL (which is usually regarded as the Junior A elite.)

87 pts in 49 games ties him for third in the MJHL scoring race, which is certainly impressive. I'd like to know which height listing is correct. Either way he sounds like a nice get, but it would be extra nice if he comes with a powerforward's frame (especially if the Sens start noticing the year that Greening is having and try to lure him away.)

upperdeck · February 04, 2008, 08:40:45 PM

shouldnt the new "come to cornell for almost free policy" help the recruiting against the bigger schools.. it almost evens out to a free scholie..

Scersk '97 · February 04, 2008, 09:19:20 PM

[quote upperdeck]shouldnt the new "come to cornell for almost free policy" help the recruiting against the bigger schools.. it almost evens out to a free scholie..[/quote]

Don't all Canadians get scholarships anyway? ::rolleyes::

I think they call them "Weak American Dollar" scholarships...

ursusminor · February 04, 2008, 09:29:23 PM

[quote evilnaturedrobot]Any word on the quality of the MJHL? It's listed as Junior A, but I'm guessing it's a step below the BCHL (which is usually regarded as the Junior A elite.)

87 pts in 49 games ties him for third in the MJHL scoring race, which is certainly impressive. I'd like to know which height listing is correct. Either way he sounds like a nice get, but it would be extra nice if he comes with a powerforward's frame (especially if the Sens start noticing the year that Greening is having and try to lure him away.)[/quote]

The MJHL is one of the poorer Canadian JrA leagues, although every once in a while there is a very good team in the league. This was once explained to me as due to Manitoba's small population with 2/3 living in Winnipeg.