New Recruit for '08

[Jim Hyla]

[quote upperdeck]shouldnt the new "come to cornell for almost free policy" help the recruiting against the bigger schools.. it almost evens out to a  free scholie..[/quote]

It's not almost free. What they did is to limit loans. You still have a family and student portion, which, depending upon your income, can be substantial.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote upperdeck]shouldnt the new "come to cornell for almost free policy" help the recruiting against the bigger schools.. it almost evens out to a  free scholie..[/quote]

It's not almost free. What they did is to limit loans. You still have a family and student portion, which, depending upon your income, can be substantial.[/quote]

And student-athletes were probably getting a favorable balance of grants to loans in the first place, right?

[Trotsky]

BRP reports that Collins was chosen in a poll as the fastest skater in his league.

This gives Cornell seven 2008 recruits replacing four seniors.  Lots of healthy competition next year.

[KeithK]

[quote Trotsky]This gives Cornell seven 2008 recruits replacing four seniors.  Lots of healthy competition next year.[/quote]
...and/or insurance against the (inevitable?) defection of certain players. :-(

[Robb]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote upperdeck]shouldnt the new "come to cornell for almost free policy" help the recruiting against the bigger schools.. it almost evens out to a  free scholie..[/quote]

It's not almost free. What they did is to limit loans. You still have a family and student portion, which, depending upon your income, can be substantial.[/quote]

And, more importantly, ESPECIALLY for those who come from lower income families, the family contribution is a substantial percentage of that income.  Which is harder: to pay $10k per year to go to Cornell if you earn $50k, or $30k if you're earning $125k?

(I don't know what the numbers are - just made that up)

[Trotsky]

[quote KeithK][quote Trotsky]This gives Cornell seven 2008 recruits replacing four seniors.  Lots of healthy competition next year.[/quote]
...and/or insurance against the (inevitable?) defection of certain players. :-([/quote]My fingers are in my ears; I cannot hear you.

[Josh '99]

[quote KeithK][quote Trotsky]This gives Cornell seven 2008 recruits replacing four seniors.  Lots of healthy competition next year.[/quote]
...and/or insurance against the (inevitable?) defection of certain players. :-([/quote]"Now you see, the changing of the worrd is inevitabre!"
"I'm sorry, it's what?"
"Inevit... inevitabre"
"One more time."
"INEVITABRE! Things are inevitabrey going to change! Goddamnit, open your fucking ears!"

[mnagowski]

[quote Robb]And, more importantly, ESPECIALLY for those who come from lower income families, the family contribution is a substantial percentage of that income.  Which is harder: to pay $10k per year to go to Cornell if you earn $50k, or $30k if you're earning $125k?[/quote]

Funny, as Cornell has posted scenarios that are pretty close to your speculation.

For a student from a family making $50k a year, the parents would be expected to pay $5k a year and the student would be expected to pay another ~$4k out of their summer savings and work-study. Cornell would chip in close to $40k in grant aid.

And for a student from a family making $120k a year, the parents would be expected to pay $20k a year and the student would be expected to pay another ~$4k out of their summer savings and work-study. And then add another $3k for a loan. Cornell would chip in close to $22k in grant aid.

So it's not quite Harvard's policy, which doesn't require any family contributions for families making less than 60k a year and a 12k contribution for families making $120k. (Although it presumably requires some sort of student work-study or self-help component.) Cornell's policy is probably more similar to Dartmouth's policy, which touts "tuition free" but probably requires a family contribution for room and board, or Northwestern's new policy. Both of those schools honestly compete for students with Cornell a lot more than Harvard does.

Of course, I don't know how the contract colleges or how non-University (e.g. alumni, boosters, etc.) scholarships would play into all of this.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan08/finAid.html

[Jim Hyla]

[quote metaezra]Of course, I don't know how the contract colleges or how non-University (e.g. alumni, boosters, etc.) scholarships would play into all of this.[/quote]

Virtually all scholarships, directly from CU or others, are figured into the student's package. Many, if not most, alumni scholarships go through the university, but the university figures those others into their considerations.

[KeithK]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote metaezra]Of course, I don't know how the contract colleges or how non-University (e.g. alumni, boosters, etc.) scholarships would play into all of this.[/quote]

Virtually all scholarships, directly from CU or others, are figured into the student's package. Many, if not most, alumni scholarships go through the university, but the university figures those others into their considerations.[/quote]
Which is why. if you get a scholarship from an outside source, it is in your best interest to not let Cornell know about it if at all possible.  IIRC I managed this with one scholarship from my Dad's employer.

[upperdeck]

but from what I was told they have changed the ratio's quite a bit.. so if before if you were expected to come up with 10K the figured that you would come up with X and Y would be Loans..

now they have lowered the X and capped the Y. The only way to cap the loan is to lower the expected X amount.. if they are going to cap the Loan amount they they need to substantially lower the X amount which is what I have been told they will be doing..

[Trotsky]

Good to see the farm team succeeding.  Nanaimo clinched their RS title last night. Get them used to winning.

[Josh '99]

[quote Trotsky]Good to see the farm team succeeding.  Nanaimo clinched their RS title last night. Get them used to winning.[/quote]Looks like incoming goalie Mike Garman is having himself a pretty good season.  He's sharing some of his time this year with Evan Smith, a guy two years younger.  Wonder if Schafer has his eye on him too.  The guy Colgate has coming in next year, Alex Evin, is also having a great season in the BCHL.

[ursusminor]

Jordan Kary, Captain of the Spruce Grove Saints (AJHL) http://ajhl.ca/news/2008/02/13/saints-captain-commits-to-cornell-university/

Stats: http://www.ajhl.ab.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1705&leagueID=3464&playerID=159559&teamID=126408&pos=LW

Current Team: Spruce Grove Saints
Jersey Number: 22
Position: LW
Height: 6'2'
Weight: 200
Hometown: Wetaskiwin AB
Shoots: Left
Date of Birth: November 3, 1987 (20 years)
 
 

PLAYER STATISTICS
EXHIBITION  •  REGULAR SEASON  •  PLAYOFFS  •  OVERALL TOTALS  

SEASON TEAM GP G A PTS P/G +/- PPG SHG GWG GTG PIM
2007-2008 Spruce Grove Saints 56 30 28 58 1.0 0 15 1 4 0 109
2006-2007 Spruce Grove Saints 60 21 33 54 0.9 14 13 1 3 0 67
2005-2006 Spruce Grove Saints 58 16 12 28 0.5 0 4 0 4 1 84
CAREER TOTALS   174 67 73 140 0.8 14 32 2 11 1 260

[Trotsky]

Kary will be a 21-year old freshman.