Interesting NCAA mascot policy

[Beeeej]

The cheerleaders could go without uniforms for a while.

Beeeej

[jtwcornell91]

[quote KeithK]I completely agree that the federal government has no business paying for mascot changes, whether the goal is to be "sensitive" or not.  But there would be some significant cost at some schools.  UND would among other things need to remove thousands of logos from their arena, which wouldn't be trivial.  (Not to mention paying the Englestadt estate back for the arena, since the logos were part of the donation deal.)[/quote]

And this is why UND gets no sympathy with me for the "oh it would cost so much to cover these logos" argument.  They put them there on purpose, they can deal with the consequences.

[KeithK]

[quote jtwcornell91]And this is why UND gets no sympathy with me for the "oh it would cost so much to cover these logos" argument.  They put them there on purpose, they can deal with the consequences.[/quote]Oh sure, the cost issue is purely an excuse.  UND does get sympathy from me because of the "Why the f--- is the NCAA wasting it's time legislating mascots" argument.  Excuse me - this wasn't even legislation, it was executive fiat.

[ninian '72]

The authors of this piece are not entirely up to speed on the NCAA's byzantine decision-making.  The NCAA has informed athletic power William & Mary that they may continue to refer to themselves as "The Tribe," which ties in with one of their initial missions as a school for Indians. However, they are required to lose their logo, which is a couple of small white feathers. The school is appealing. Stay tuned.

[marty]

[quote Beeeej]The cheerleaders could go without uniforms for a while.

Beeeej[/quote]

Only if they were not American Indian cheerleaders! ::nut::

[DeltaOne81]

[quote KeithK][quote jtwcornell91]And this is why UND gets no sympathy with me for the "oh it would cost so much to cover these logos" argument.  They put them there on purpose, they can deal with the consequences.[/quote]Oh sure, the cost issue is purely an excuse.  UND does get sympathy from me because of the "Why the f--- is the NCAA wasting it's time legislating mascots" argument.  Excuse me - this wasn't even legislation, it was executive fiat.[/quote]

To be accurate, the NCAA is not telling any schools that they need to change anything. They're just telling them that at their national tournaments they don't want any racially related logos or mascots, so that they can't host those tournaments or wear those things at those tournaments. In no way is the NCAA forcing them to actually change.

Not saying that'll change anyone's mind, but it is true.

Unless of course you have the backing of a bunch of whiney Florida state legislators. Then your racially stereotypical logos and mascots are welcome.

[billhoward]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote KeithK][quote jtwcornell91]And this is why UND gets no sympathy with me for the "oh it would cost so much to cover these logos" argument.  They put them there on purpose, they can deal with the consequences.[/quote]Oh sure, the cost issue is purely an excuse.  UND does get sympathy from me because of the "Why the f--- is the NCAA wasting it's time legislating mascots" argument.  Excuse me - this wasn't even legislation, it was executive fiat.[/quote]

To be accurate, the NCAA is not telling any schools that they need to change anything. They're just telling them that at their national tournaments they don't want any racially related logos or mascots, so that they can't host those tournaments or wear those things at those tournaments. In no way is the NCAA forcing them to actually change.

Not saying that'll change anyone's mind, but it is true.

Unless of course you have the backing of a bunch of whiney Florida state legislators. Then your racially stereotypical logos and mascots are welcome.[/quote]
This is same kind of freedom-to-act the feds allowed when states were asked to set speed limits and drinking ages from 1975 onward. No U.S. restrictions unless you want to get federal highway money (the same money your state's residents were forced to pay in gasoline taxes). So North Dakota can wear any jersey it wants to long as it's not at an NCAA tournament. Some freedom.

[billhoward]

[quote ninian '72]The authors of this piece are not entirely up to speed on the NCAA's byzantine decision-making.  The NCAA has informed athletic power William & Mary that they may continue to refer to themselves as "The Tribe," which ties in with one of their initial missions as a school for Indians. However, they are required to lose their logo, which is a couple of small white feathers. The school is appealing. Stay tuned.[/quote]
Maybe the NCAA also has concerns that by its name, the college sends a hostile message to those living beyond the constraints of heterosexual relationships.

[ninian '72]

[quote billhoward][quote ninian '72]The authors of this piece are not entirely up to speed on the NCAA's byzantine decision-making.  The NCAA has informed athletic power William & Mary that they may continue to refer to themselves as "The Tribe," which ties in with one of their initial missions as a school for Indians. However, they are required to lose their logo, which is a couple of small white feathers. The school is appealing. Stay tuned.[/quote]
Maybe the NCAA also has concerns that by its name, the college sends a hostile message to those living beyond the constraints of heterosexual relationships.[/quote]

If so, they haven't done their homework.  William III apparently more than dabbled in alternative lifestyles.

[ugarte]

[quote ninian '72][quote billhoward][quote ninian '72]The authors of this piece are not entirely up to speed on the NCAA's byzantine decision-making.  The NCAA has informed athletic power William & Mary that they may continue to refer to themselves as "The Tribe," which ties in with one of their initial missions as a school for Indians. However, they are required to lose their logo, which is a couple of small white feathers. The school is appealing. Stay tuned.[/quote]
Maybe the NCAA also has concerns that by its name, the college sends a hostile message to those living beyond the constraints of heterosexual relationships.[/quote]

If so, they haven't done their homework.  William III apparently more than dabbled in alternative lifestyles.[/quote]Well, yes, which is why the school should be "William and Mary and Van Zuylen, Hans and Arnold."

[profudge]

Interesting interview with University of North Dakota president Charles Kupchella at:  
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,12630/InterviewUNDPresidentContinuesSearchForANicknameSolution.html

[ninian '72]

And the NCAA's final word on the William & Mary feather dispute:

[Q]The College of William and Mary received notice Aug. 3, 2006 that the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Executive Committee has denied the College's appeal regarding use of the institution's athletic logo.

"We strongly disagree with the decision by the Executive Committee and find it absurd that the NCAA continues to target William and Mary—a College that sets the standard for the scholar athlete—because of two feathers on our athletic logo," said William and Mary Athletics Director Terry Driscoll. "We do know that William and Mary will forever be the 'Tribe' and that was the most important victory in this entire process. We'll review the decision about our athletic logo over the next few weeks as we evaluate what's in the best interest of our student athletes."

In May, the NCAA ruled that William and Mary's "Tribe" nickname was neither hostile nor abusive but determined that the athletic logo—which contains two green and gold feathers—could create an environment that is offensive. William and Mary appealed that decision in June to the NCAA Executive Committee. [/Q]

Ornithologists across the country cheered the ruling.