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[scoop85]

Since 1973 was a few years before my time, I'm enjoying the analysis of what must've been an excruciating game.  I was in Foxboro in 2009, and I'm sure the Wisconsin game was equally awful.

[The Rancor]

I get that Yale is a probable draw to MSG but I do wish that game was always an OOC game.

[Trotsky]

I get that Yale is a probable draw to MSG but I do wish that game was always an OOC game.

Plus, are they even?

I would think, in rough order:

Cornell
Penn State
BU
Princeton
Michigan
Yale
Notre Dame
Harvard
Army
Ohio State
Minnesota
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Vermont
Colgate
Northeastern

Personally, alternating BU and Michigan/Penn State would be fine by me.

I assume turning it into a holiday tournament has been explored an rejected as impractical.  I would dearly love to see Cornell as the "New York City Team," setting up NC$$ regional hosting as well.

[ugarte]

I would dearly love to see Cornell as the "New York City Team," setting up NC$$ regional hosting as well.

oh man. make it at barclays so i don't even have to cross a bridge.

[The Rancor]

Playing a neutral at MSG against a team we will play a minimum of twice per season anyway, seems like lazy scheduling. I'd think the big Western schools, Big 10 and Hockey East would be clamoring for a chance to play in New York.

[Trotsky]

I would dearly love to see Cornell as the "New York City Team," setting up NC$$ regional hosting as well.

oh man. make it at barclays so i don't even have to cross a bridge.

It has to be The City so the flyovers are a-scurred they might see a black person and don't come.

Narrator: "It was college hockey.  They would not see a black person."

[RichH]

I would dearly love to see Cornell as the "New York City Team," setting up NC$$ regional hosting as well.

oh man. make it at barclays so i don't even have to cross a bridge.

It has to be The City so the flyovers are a-scurred they might see a black person and don't come.

Narrator: "It was college hockey.  They would not see a black person."

There were POC working at the concession stands selling $15 beers. That alone would fuel a full year of stories to tell at the Ralph.

[Trotsky]

I would dearly love to see Cornell as the "New York City Team," setting up NC$$ regional hosting as well.

oh man. make it at barclays so i don't even have to cross a bridge.

It has to be The City so the flyovers are a-scurred they might see a black person and don't come.

Narrator: "It was college hockey.  They would not see a black person."

There were POC working at the concession stands selling $15 beers. That alone would fuel a full year of stories to tell at the Ralph.

"I could tell they were Mooslim because when they poured beer they wore gloves."

[scoop85]

Playing a neutral at MSG against a team we will play a minimum of twice per season anyway, seems like lazy scheduling. I'd think the big Western schools, Big 10 and Hockey East would be clamoring for a chance to play in New York.

Someone pointed out to me that the problem with the power 5 hockey schools is that they often have football games Thanksgiving weekend so it could be hard to get them to MSG for a hockey game (although that didn't stop PSU and Michigan in the past). But that would still leave some interesting opponents like Providence, NoDak, Denver and even Maine who can use MSG as a draw for their fans to spend Thanksgiving weekend in NYC. All of them would be a lot more interesting than a 3rd game with Yale.

[Beeeej]

Playing a neutral at MSG against a team we will play a minimum of twice per season anyway, seems like lazy scheduling. I'd think the big Western schools, Big 10 and Hockey East would be clamoring for a chance to play in New York.

Someone pointed out to me that the problem with the power 5 hockey schools is that they often have football games Thanksgiving weekend so it could be hard to get them to MSG for a hockey game (although that didn't stop PSU and Michigan in the past). But that would still leave some interesting opponents like Providence, NoDak, Denver and even Maine who can use MSG as a draw for their fans to spend Thanksgiving weekend in NYC. All of them would be a lot more interesting than a 3rd game with Yale.

My assumption with Harvard a couple of years ago and Yale next year is that they were basically a last resort, after Coach Schafer had basically eliminated all other possibilities. Either that, or both Harvard and Yale offered Cornell money to let them be the opponent.

[Trotsky]

My assumption with Harvard a couple of years ago and Yale next year is that they were basically a last resort, after Coach Schafer had basically eliminated all other possibilities. Either that, or both Harvard and Yale offered Cornell money to let them be the opponent.

Yeah, I think it's anything but "lazy scheduling."  I think the model only really works with BU.  And that would be OK with me, too.  Keep it more special.  Or... play BU every year.

TBH I'm surprised to see Yale and not Princeton, which IMO makes a lot more sense.  Yale is a split allegiance between NYC and Boston.  Princeton is NYC and, what?  London?   Butner Federal Correctional Institution?

[ugarte]

Playing a neutral at MSG against a team we will play a minimum of twice per season anyway, seems like lazy scheduling. I'd think the big Western schools, Big 10 and Hockey East would be clamoring for a chance to play in New York.

Someone pointed out to me that the problem with the power 5 hockey schools is that they often have football games Thanksgiving weekend so it could be hard to get them to MSG for a hockey game (although that didn't stop PSU and Michigan in the past). But that would still leave some interesting opponents like Providence, NoDak, Denver and even Maine who can use MSG as a draw for their fans to spend Thanksgiving weekend in NYC. All of them would be a lot more interesting than a 3rd game with Yale.

My assumption with Harvard a couple of years ago and Yale next year is that they were basically a last resort, after Coach Schafer had basically eliminated all other possibilities. Either that, or both Harvard and Yale offered Cornell money to let them be the opponent.

i don't think it takes a lot of money for Harvard and Yale to say "hey can we join your party." Both are close enough to NYC - and dump enough rich people into the local ticket buying pool - to make it an easy sell for both Cornell and MSG.

[The Rancor]

Playing a neutral at MSG against a team we will play a minimum of twice per season anyway, seems like lazy scheduling. I'd think the big Western schools, Big 10 and Hockey East would be clamoring for a chance to play in New York.

Someone pointed out to me that the problem with the power 5 hockey schools is that they often have football games Thanksgiving weekend so it could be hard to get them to MSG for a hockey game (although that didn't stop PSU and Michigan in the past). But that would still leave some interesting opponents like Providence, NoDak, Denver and even Maine who can use MSG as a draw for their fans to spend Thanksgiving weekend in NYC. All of them would be a lot more interesting than a 3rd game with Yale.

My assumption with Harvard a couple of years ago and Yale next year is that they were basically a last resort, after Coach Schafer had basically eliminated all other possibilities. Either that, or both Harvard and Yale offered Cornell money to let them be the opponent.

i don't think it takes a lot of money for Harvard and Yale to say "hey can we join your party." Both are close enough to NYC - and dump enough rich people into the local ticket buying pool - to make it an easy sell for both Cornell and MSG.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Not lazy Per-se, but HYP wanting in on the CU action.

[billhoward]

Since 1973 was a few years before my time, I'm enjoying the analysis of what must've been an excruciating game.  I was in Foxboro in 2009, and I'm sure the Wisconsin game was equally awful.

And the more years since the game, the greater the chance to exaggerate, and who's still around to say you got it wrong.

When there was a score, the lower part of the balcony, the rows sticking out farthest, really shook. Also damn hot, and  humid, inside. And Wisconsin deserves credit for sending something like two dozen buses of students and fans to the game.

Yes, the 1973 hockey loss was like the 2009 lax loss. The first time your team loses a huge game, it hangs with you. Our HS basketball team lost a NYS Sectional final on a buzzer shot from just inside the mid-court line. Which set me up for the Wisconsin game once at Cornell. And made the 2009 lax final disheartening but not as crushing as 1973 and Wisconsin.