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[jeff '84]

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Mike Richter and Alan Hahn (ESPN NY Radio) talking up college hockey in general (and Yale/Harvard specifically) a bit past the 8 minute mark. They gave props to Cornell's Thanksgiving MSG games. Though Hahn then gives Wisconsin fans credit for the "sieve," "It's all your fault" chants and the newspapers. He didn't say they invented it, but kind of implied.... did they?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

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Mike Richter and Alan Hahn (ESPN NY Radio) talking up college hockey in general (and Yale/Harvard specifically) a bit past the 8 minute mark. They gave props to Cornell's Thanksgiving MSG games. Though Hahn then gives Wisconsin fans credit for the "sieve," "It's all your fault" chants and the newspapers. He didn't say they invented it, but kind of implied.... did they?

They certainly didn't start the newspaper cheers.  I did.  I stole it from the University of Scranton basketball fans, who would shake newspapers behind the basket when the opposition shot free throws.  I found out about it when I was home for Christmas break in 80 or 81.  There was an article in the local paper that the U of S coach wanted it to stop because it was bad sportsmanship.

The sieve cheer was already being done when I arrived on campus in 78.  We also threw kitchen strainers, but that later stopped because of delay of game penalties.

I first heard "It's all your fault" at LP, I believe in the late 90's.  Not sure where it came from.

I also heard an interesting one at the VGK game.  After they scored, they first told the opposition goalie he sucked (a few times).  After that, they started a "Fleury's better!" cheer.  We should try a "Galajda's better!" cheer.

[Trotsky]

I first heard "It's all your fault" at LP, I believe in the late 90's.  Not sure where it came from.

IAYF was done at Lynah before that.  IIRC the first time I heard it was at a Beanpot in the 80s and it was already established enough that the whole BU crowd did it (only one repetition, however).  The Boston schools may have picked it up after an NC$$ game in the West.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was Wisco: they were the Lynah crowd of the West in the 70s.

The only cheers I know for sure I heard born were "Fight, Maim, Kill," at Lynah, which began in our section (C when it was still students) circa 1984, and the "Black Hole" cheer which I hate to admit was birthed by Harvard (Sucks) during their dominant period in the mid 80s, though with a different cadence.

I believe the "sieve" cheer goes back to the Maple Leafs in the 1960s, or even earlier, and they may have stolen it from Ontario youth hockey or even pond hockey.  It's as old as the hills.

[jeff '84]

Thanks guys.

[upprdeck]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

[marty]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

IAYF or sieve?

I remember learning "sieve, sieve,  sieve" when I attended my first games in the fall of 70. I didn't understand was what was being chanted and the literalist side of my brain still finds the analogy a bit off.

[Dafatone]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

IAYF or sieve?

I remember learning "sieve, sieve,  sieve" when I attended my first games in the fall of 70. I didn't understand was what was being chanted and the literalist side of my brain still finds the analogy a bit off.

I know, right? Wouldn't a sieve stop pucks?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

IAYF or sieve?

I remember learning "sieve, sieve,  sieve" when I attended my first games in the fall of 70. I didn't understand was what was being chanted and the literalist side of my brain still finds the analogy a bit off.

I know, right? Wouldn't a sieve stop pucks?

Depends on the mesh size.::wank::

[upprdeck]

i thought the cheer was the same thing.

used to count the goals, say its all your fault.  then end with sieve sieve sieve.

[Beeeej]

i thought the cheer was the same thing.

used to count the goals, say its all your fault.  then end with sieve sieve sieve.

Nope - count goals, say "sieve" a few times, then "it's all your fault." I'm pretty sure that in my 33 seasons it's never been the other way around.

[billhoward]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

IAYF or sieve? I remember learning "sieve, sieve,  sieve" when I attended my first games in the fall of 70. I didn't understand was what was being chanted and the literalist side of my brain still finds the analogy a bit off.

Too literal. Stuff drains through a sieve, even if the pasta doesn't. A roof leaks like a sieve.

Shelly Berman, the abrasive comic whose heydeys were in the era of vinyl record comedy albums, has a sketch about a philosophy major at the University of Chicago who looks at a glass of water, says, "This is a glass of water. But why is this a glass of water? ... and eventually the dumb kid dies of thirst."

[Swampy]

wasnt that cheer done in the 70s for lax games?

IAYF or sieve?
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I remember learning "sieve, sieve,  sieve" when I attended my first games in the fall of 70. I didn't understand was what was being chanted and the literalist side of my brain still finds the analogy a bit off.

I can attest that I don't remember either IAYF or sieve during the late 60s. I do remember chanting, "1, 2, 3, 4, ..., we want more!" Of course, a team must be winning by scores like 12-2 for such cheers to be apropos. Perhaps there's a relationship between Cornell's declining average margin of victory and this cheer's replacement.

Are any of you out there U of Chicago grads willing to address this philosophical question?

[Swampy]

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The only cheers I know for sure I heard born were "Fight, Maim, Kill," at Lynah, which began in our section (C when it was still students) circa 1984, and the "Black Hole" cheer which I hate to admit was birthed by Harvard (Sucks) during their dominant period in the mid 80s, though with a different cadence.

I believe the "sieve" cheer goes back to the Maple Leafs in the 1960s, or even earlier, and they may have stolen it from Ontario youth hockey or even pond hockey.  It's as old as the hills.

You raise an excellent point. I'm surprised in all these years there's been no taunt combining the suckiness of opposing goalies and Harvard: sort of like the "Screw BU" cheer. This is especially puzzling because we're not the only school that maintains Harvard Sucks, and there must be some probability law that the probability of an event increases as the number of sites where it can occur increases.

Are any of you out there MIT grads willing to address this mathematical question?

[djk26]

I know, right? Wouldn't a sieve stop pucks?

I felt the same way about the "black hole" cheer against the opposing goalie...do the fans still do this one?  "You're not a sieve, you're a vacuum.  You're not a vacuum, you're a black hole.  You're not a black hole, YOU JUST SUCK."  Ok, I get it, black holes do suck, but wouldn't they also gobble up the puck and not allow it to escape?  I know, I'm being too literal.

[75er]

Wisconsin used the sieve cheer to great effect in the 3rd period of the 1973 NCAA semifinal in the Boston Garden. I recall being a bit intimidated...