the loss of the cha inevitable?

[Liz '05]

[quote Jerseygirl]Silly me, I read that thread title before seeing who started it, and thought the "cha" was something like "chi" or energy flow. I should have realized that a) that poster doesn't believe in caps and b) this crowd ain't that new-agey.[/quote]

I thought "cha...as in cha-cha?"  

[Beeeej]

[quote Jerseygirl]Silly me, I read that thread title before seeing who started it, and thought the "cha" was something like "chi" or energy flow. I should have realized that a) that poster doesn't believe in caps and b) this crowd ain't that new-agey.[/quote]

I just thought "the cha" was some nickname I'd never heard before for a Cornell player likely to leave for the pros soon.

Beeeej

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Robb]Union hasn't exactly been competitive, so I would count them on my side as exhibit A of why a cost-containment school does NOT want to be in a league with a bunch of Jock Factories.[/quote]
Well, Union finished ahead of Clarkson and Quinnipiac and tied with RPI this year--so I guess none of those three were "exactly competitive," either.  And as to the rest of Fred's proposed AH teams being "jock factories"--do you really think so?  Sacred Heart?  Bentley?  AIC?  Robert Morris?  Huntsville? ::rolleyes::

Holy Cross managed to hold up the non-scholarship banner pretty well this year, both within the AH and in the NCAAs.  Unless something happened when I wasn't looking, they aren't Ivy.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Liz '05][quote Jerseygirl]Silly me, I read that thread title before seeing who started it, and thought the "cha" was something like "chi" or energy flow. I should have realized that a) that poster doesn't believe in caps and b) this crowd ain't that new-agey.[/quote]

I thought "cha...as in cha-cha?"  [/quote]

You and me both. ;-)

[Robb]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Robb]Union hasn't exactly been competitive, so I would count them on my side as exhibit A of why a cost-containment school does NOT want to be in a league with a bunch of Jock Factories.[/quote]
Well, Union finished ahead of Clarkson and Quinnipiac and tied with RPI this year--so I guess none of those three were "exactly competitive," either.  And as to the rest of Fred's proposed AH teams being "jock factories"--do you really think so?  Sacred Heart?  Bentley?  AIC?  Robert Morris?  Huntsville? ::rolleyes::

Holy Cross managed to hold up the non-scholarship banner pretty well this year, both within the AH and in the NCAAs.  Unless something happened when I wasn't looking, they aren't Ivy.[/quote]

I'm talking long term success - not proof by anecdote (one year in Union's case or one game in Holy Cross's).  And of course I wasn't referring to those AH shools as jock factories.  They're the ones I'm suggesting would NOT want to be in a league with the Bemidjis and Niagaras of the hockey world, who are willing and able to devote much more $$$ to their hockey teams than the current and future (RIT) AHA schools.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Robb]
I'm talking long term success - not proof by anecdote (one year in Union's case or one game in Holy Cross's).  And of course I wasn't referring to those AH shools as jock factories.  They're the ones I'm suggesting would NOT want to be in a league with the Bemidjis and Niagaras of the hockey world, who are willing and able to devote much more $$$ to their hockey teams than the current and future (RIT) AHA schools.[/quote]
Your response is not well-informed, I regret to say.  

First off, we are talking about competing within a CHA/AH caliber league--in case you've forgotten--not the WCHA.  Holy Cross has done that very well for five seasons--without paying its players to play one game for them.  Try looking it up.  I believe they would have been at least as competitive as Q in last year's ECAC.  

As far as I can see, "the Bemidjis and Niagaras" of the CHA/AH "hockey world" consist of...well...just Bemidji and Niagara.  And I would bet that both of those two would jump tomorrow at a chance to join one of the established four leagues, and are the most likely to get such an offer.

Union, by the way, summing results of the past six ECAC regular seasons, has finished ahead of sixteen scholarship schools and behind fourteen (presuming Colgate's been giving scholarships for six seasons and Greg has the tiebreakers correct in his standings at TBRW).  I'd say they've at least held their own against the ECAC's play-for-pay crowd over that period, and they've had nowhere near the rich hockey history of a Clarkson, RPI, or St. Lawrence to build upon.

[Robb]

[quote Al DeFlorio]

First off, we are talking about competing within a CHA/AH caliber league--in case you've forgotten--not the WCHA.  Holy Cross has done that very well for five seasons--without paying its players to play one game for them.  Try looking it up.  I believe they would have been at least as competitive as Q in last year's ECAC.  

As far as I can see, "the Bemidjis and Niagaras" of the CHA/AH "hockey world" consist of...well...just Bemidji and Niagara.  And I would bet that both of those two would jump tomorrow at a chance to join one of the established four leagues, and are the most likely to get such an offer.

Union, by the way, summing results of the past six ECAC regular seasons, has finished ahead of sixteen scholarship schools and behind fourteen (presuming Colgate's been giving scholarships for six seasons and Greg has the tiebreakers correct in his standings at TBRW).  I'd say they've at least held their own against the ECAC's play-for-pay crowd over that period, and they've had nowhere near the rich hockey history of a Clarkson, RPI, or St. Lawrence to build upon.[/quote]
Gosh, could you be just a tiny bit more condescending?

So Holy Cross has done well in AHA.  Which proves NOTHING, because my premise is that non-Ivy, non-scholarship schools prefer not to be in a league with schools that offer 18 scholarships because they believe that they would be at a competitive disadvantage.  So HC has done well against AHA - can you walk me through how exactly that proves that they would do well against Niagara and Bemidji, because I must be missing something.

Nothing you've said in any way convinces me that RIT, Mercyhurst, or Canisius would be happy about moving from a geographically advantageous, cost-containment league to the CHA.  Care to try again?

[Roy 82]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Liz '05][quote Jerseygirl]Silly me, I read that thread title before seeing who started it, and thought the "cha" was something like "chi" or energy flow. I should have realized that a) that poster doesn't believe in caps and b) this crowd ain't that new-agey.[/quote]

I thought "cha...as in cha-cha?"  [/quote]

You and me both. ;-)[/quote]

You and me three. I thought it was something like "mojo" (which, come to think of it, is probably a good English translation of "chi").

[sarcasm]
Don't blame yourself. Blame the messenger. Perhaps he/she is not simply lazy or conforming to some percieved norm of internet protocol (all lower case was like so 1990s) but has small hands or RSI and cannot easily reach the shift key.

Rather than simply criticize, I would like to help him/her out. Here is a supply of capital letters for use on elynah. Just let me know if you need more:
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[/sarcasm]
Sorry, I am procrastinating at work and taking it out on the oringinal poster for confusing me.

[Ben Rocky '04]

Doesn't this all come down to being Vermont's fault? UVM shifting to HEA caused us to take QU in ECACHL, causing AFA to move to Atlantic? Damn sheep fuckers!

[Dpperk29]

if we are thinking that way... then it would simply make sense for RIT to join the CHA

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Ben Rocky 04]Doesn't this all come down to be it being Vermont's fault? UVM shifting to HEA caused us to take QU in ECACHL, causing AFA to move to Atlantic? Damn sheep fuckers![/quote]

AFA moved to be with ARmy, and probably to be in a league with fewer scholarships. I guess AHA may not have taken them if they didn't lose QU, but I would think they would have.

[jy3]

[quote Jerseygirl]Silly me, I read that thread title before seeing who started it, and thought the "cha" was something like "chi" or energy flow. I should have realized that a) that poster doesn't believe in caps and b) this crowd ain't that new-agey.[/quote]

just as some people forget that a cha-cha or dark tower cha or kha post would go into the off-topic section ::rolleyes::

I think that the possibility of the CHA folding should be seen as a scary prospect for the rest of the college hockey world. the NHL did right by the sabres a few years back by taking the burden upon the rest of the owners. would the whole men's college hockey collection of teams benefit from taking an active interest? I think so...

[ugarte]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Ben Rocky 04]Doesn't this all come down to be it being Vermont's fault? UVM shifting to HEA caused us to take QU in ECACHL, causing AFA to move to Atlantic? Damn sheep fuckers![/quote]

AFA moved to be with ARmy, and probably to be in a league with fewer scholarships. I guess AHA may not have taken them if they didn't lose QU, but I would think they would have.[/quote]Roy would like you to return the R you took without permission. Unless it is vital to national security.

[redhair34]

Nope.:-D
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2006/05/01_chaappears.php

[ugarte]

[quote redhair34]Nope.:-D
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2006/05/01_chaappears.php[/quote]Very good news. While I could do without an AQ from the CHA in the tourney, the growth of college hockey is more important and I'd like there to be a place for an emerging program to go to. The rule change to save the CHA is a good idea.