Thank You, Schafer! (Part 1001)

Trotsky · March 26, 2006, 02:56:14 PM

With the win over CC, Coach Schafer now has the most NCAA advances among Cornell coaches, surpassing Coach Harkness' record of five. http://www.tbrw.info/games/cornellNCAAAdvances.html

Obviously, there are era comparison issues. Harkness had a shorter tenure coaching in an era of 4-team NCAA draws, which meant all his wins were Frozen Four advances. But, Schafer coaches in an era of greater parity, in which upsets are more likely. http://www.tbrw.info/cornellHistory/cornellCoaches.html

Either way, I'm glad for both of them to have had such huge contributions to Cornell hockey. ;-)

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ Games, 370
+ Ivy Championships, 6
+ ECAC RS titles, 3 (tied with Harkness)
+ ECAC Tournament Advances, 21
+ ECAC Championships, 4 (tied with Harkness)
+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

andyw2100 · March 26, 2006, 03:16:14 PM

[quote Trotsky]

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6[/quote]

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.

DeltaOne81 · March 26, 2006, 03:18:10 PM

[quote andyw2100][quote Trotsky]

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6[/quote]

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.[/quote]

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.

CrazyLarry · March 26, 2006, 03:23:20 PM

This is as good a place as any (except the Harvard thread) to point out the remarkable 6-5 record Schafer has in NCAA tourney play going into today. That's really good, considering the number of other ECAC wins in the NCAA tourney in that time.

Counting that up, the ECAC is 9-23 in the NCAAs since Schafer came to Cornell. Cornell is 6-5 in that time. The last non-Cornell ECAC team to win an NCAA game was SLU(t) in 2000. Which brings up the thought I had last night, is Cornell hockey basically the Gonzaga of hockey? The only team in the conference that can compete nationally. Maybe.

RedAR · March 26, 2006, 03:23:46 PM

Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?

Jacob 03 · March 26, 2006, 03:27:50 PM

[quote RedAR]Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?[/quote]

Uhm, I think (hope) andyw2100 was being faceitious.

DeltaOne81 · March 26, 2006, 03:28:22 PM

[quote CrazyLarry]Which brings up the thought I had last night, is Cornell hockey basically the Gonzaga of hockey? The only team in the conference that can compete nationally. Maybe.[/quote]

Nah, I disagree. Harvard is good enough to compete, if they ever didn't choke. Colgate showed last year that they could, losing a game 6-5 late against a #1 seed. SLU proved they can compete nationally earlier in the year, before they fell apart. Cornell, no doubt, has been the ECAC's class of the NCAAs, but there are several other teams that have the ability.

ugarte · March 26, 2006, 03:34:52 PM

[quote DeltaOne81][quote andyw2100][quote Trotsky]

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6[/quote]

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.[/quote]

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.[/quote]But not exactly wins, for example in 1990 (IIRC) when we lost a best of three opening round series to Michigan 2 games to 1. We got a win but didn't advance.

andyw2100 · March 26, 2006, 03:38:18 PM

[quote Jacob 03][quote RedAR]Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?[/quote]

Uhm, I think (hope) andyw2100 was being faceitious.[/quote]

Not really facetious...more like ironic.
Andy W.

CrazyLarry · March 26, 2006, 03:41:53 PM

Now, I'm being slightly argumentative, devil's advocate here, but I think it's a very legitimate question, when no other ECAC team has won a tourney game in 6 years. As for Colgate competing last year, well, so did Bemidji State last year, and Holy Cross this year. I don't think that means those conferences are competetive as a whole, yet. The wins are just rare events, where rare in hockey isn't all that rare, since you don't win hockey games by 20 goals.

andyw2100 · March 26, 2006, 03:42:03 PM

[quote DeltaOne81][quote andyw2100][quote Trotsky]

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6[/quote]

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.[/quote]

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.[/quote]

We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.
Andy W.

Al DeFlorio · March 26, 2006, 03:47:45 PM

[quote andyw2100]We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.
Andy W.[/quote]
I'd bet anything he meant "advance to the next round," whether through a total goals in two games, best two-out-of-three, or single elimination. I'm not sure winning the consolation game in 1968 would count as an "advance" in Greg's thinking. It wouldn't in mine.

French Rage · March 26, 2006, 03:48:05 PM

Advance means you go from one round to the next. Thus, 2003 had two advances, from 1st round to 2nd round, then to FF. 1990 didn't since the win didnt advance us.

Trotsky · March 26, 2006, 03:49:00 PM

[quote andyw2100]We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.[/quote]
An advance is... an advance. Disposal of an opponent. Movement to the next round. The opposite of elimination.

jtwcornell91 · March 26, 2006, 03:53:20 PM

[quote French Rage]Advance means you go from one round to the next. Thus, 2003 had two advances, from 1st round to 2nd round, then to FF. 1990 didn't since the win didnt advance us.[/quote]

It was 1991, actually. I remember because I flew out to Cali to visit grad schools that Sunday, and couldn't for the life of me find out how the series ended.