Duke to forfeit games to Georgetown and Mount St. Mary's

[Robb]

[quote Ken'70]3rd paragraph, last sentence, "Other organs of government such as the judicial branch, law enforcement, and the military are not usually regarded as being composed of politicians, despite the fact that the men and women involved do government work."

If anyone has another authority to cite relative to who are and aren't politicians I'd be interested.  Wiki's conformed to my everyday understanding of the term.[/quote]
"Wiki," "authority," and, "cite" don't belong in the same thought.

Besides, right there in your (subtly) self-proclaimed authoritative definition, it says "usually."  That means that there ARE members of those organs of government who are sometimes regarded as politicians.  I would think that most people would agree that someone who is running a campaign for office is "politicking," and is, at least during that campaign, acting as a politician.

Of course I'm speculating as to how most people would think, but that's how I see it.

[nr53]

The way I see it, if you're being elected for your job then you're a politician. Judges are appointed so that would obviously make them not a politician but DA's shake hands and kiss babies just like any politician.

[Chris \'03]

[quote nr53]Judges are appointed so that would obviously make them not a politician ...[/quote]

Haven't voted in a while? New York elects judges.

[nr53]

Meh. I'm from Jersey and as far as I know (no thats not very much) judges are appointed there.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Ken'70]But he was a good guy, and the smartest, hardest working fellow student I ever knew at Cornell, so I turned around and got to the Straight to vote just before the polls closed.  He won by 1 vote.  (FWIW, this is him http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/hadleybio.html )[/quote]

It's a shame he had to fall in with such a bad crowd

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Redscore]Fair points cth, Liz and DeltaOne.  I jumped into this thread late, read the postings quickly and focused on one aspect of Ken's arguments.  Agreed - it is not okay to pre-judge the accused OR the accuser.[/quote]
Thanks for writing this, Redscore.  This is precisely what I meant in my posting responding to yours saying you were "with Ken on this one."

Peace.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote WillR]I am not arguing for all of us to stay home on election day, but we might want to tone down our expectations come the next election if we really think we count.[/quote]
When I was a kid in New Haven a mayoralty election was decided by two votes.  (The winner owned a funeral home.  One wonders how many of his clients voted. ;-) )  Close enough to keep me going to the polls still.

[David Harding]

The first time I ran public office I won by a single vote.  At lunch in the company cafeteria that day the conversation came around to the election and someone from my town happened to be at the table.  I told him to vote for me, and he told his wife.  That tipped the balance.  

A couple of years ago we had a bitter race for city council (in another ward) that ended in a tie.  They flipped coin.  The good guy won.

[David Harding]

[quote Ken'70]3rd paragraph, last sentence, "Other organs of government such as the judicial branch, law enforcement, and the military are not usually regarded as being composed of politicians, despite the fact that the men and women involved do government work."

If anyone has another authority to cite relative to who are and aren't politicians I'd be interested.  Wiki's conformed to my everyday understanding of the term.[/quote] http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=politician

Noun

    * S: (n) politician (a leader engaged in civil administration)
    * S: (n) politician, politico, pol, political leader (a person active in party politics)
    * S: (n) politician (a schemer who tries to gain advantage in an organization in sly or underhanded ways)

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/politician [q]1.
a. One who is actively involved in politics, especially party politics.
b. One who holds or seeks a political office.
2. One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering: "Mothers may still want their favorite sons to grow up to be President, but . . . they do not want them to become politicians in the process" John F. Kennedy.
3. One who is skilled or experienced in the science or administration of government.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
[/q]

[Dpperk29]

we had a school budget vote end in a tie two years ago. which was actually a loss because to pass the budget you needed a majority... every vote counts

[Ken '70]

Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life, so why not go for the brass ring when fortune and an unscrupulous DA have put it so appetizingly close?  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195753,00.html

Also, the inevitable result of "thought leadership" from the likes of Jesse Jackson, The New York Times and AAS programs

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/thomassowell/2006/05/17/197673.html

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Ken '70]Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life, so why not go for the brass ring when fortune and an unscrupulous DA have put it so appetizingly close?  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195753,00.html[/quote]

Jesus Christ, Ken. Why exactly does she not have the right to a civil case when everyone else does? When the hell *isn't* there a civil suit??

Now that doesn't mean its right, but why the hell shouldn't she do what everyone else does. Oh right, because you called her a whore. That's true, that means she doesn't get to have the same options in the legal system as everyone else.

You're truly an awful human being.


Although I guess Fox News one up's you on the worthless-piece-of-crap scale, hidden in the article is this 'phrase': "There is no indication that the accuser has spoken with Gary." Meaning they're just trying to rile up conservatives against something that hasn't yet happened. To increase that imagined persecution complex.

[nyc94]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Ken '70]Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life, so why not go for the brass ring when fortune and an unscrupulous DA have put it so appetizingly close?  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195753,00.html[/quote]

Jesus Christ, Ken. Why exactly does she not have the right to a civil case when everyone else does? When the hell *isn't* there a civil suit??

Now that doesn't mean its right, but why the hell shouldn't she do what everyone else does. Oh right, because you called her a whore. That's true, that means she doesn't get to have the same options in the legal system as everyone else.

You're truly an awful human being.


Although I guess Fox News one up's you on the worthless-piece-of-crap scale, hidden in the article is this 'phrase': "There is no indication that the accuser has spoken with Gary." Meaning they're just trying to rile up conservatives against something that hasn't yet happened. To increase that imagined persecution complex.[/quote]

Delta, would you tone it down please?

[DeltaOne81]

[quote nyc94]
Delta, would you tone it down please?[/quote]

Sorry. You're right. I should just not read this thread anymore based if I'm gonna get this riled up by the blatant racism. Sad thing is I'm interested in the general topic.

< sigh >

I'll remove my earlier post if people would like.

[ugarte]

[quote DeltaOne81]Although I guess Fox News one up's you on the worthless-piece-of-crap scale, hidden in the article is this 'phrase': "There is no indication that the accuser has spoken with Gary." Meaning they're just trying to rile up conservatives against something that hasn't yet happened. To increase that imagined persecution complex.[/quote]Without getting into the things about Ken that you wrote that I agree with/disagree with/lack information to judge, you may want to cut Fox a break. The Essence article that Fox links to, and on which the Fox story is based, is titled Accuser's Mother Meets With Famed Attorney: Civil-rights lawyer Willie Gary expresses interest in Duke rape investigation. I don't know that it is all that significant that the accuser hasn't met with Gary herself.