Duke to forfeit games to Georgetown and Mount St. Mary's

[Ken '70]

As expected...

http://www.wral.com/news/8893975/detail.html

[Beeeej]

Yeah, that's pathetically sloppy police work.

Beeeej

[Ken\'70]

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=124847

[billhoward]

Feared this would happen: Cornell's victory being tainted by the belief that Duke had things other than lacrosse on its mind on game day.

And, does the [NCAA lax seeding] committee value Maryland's early-season win over Duke more than Cornell's, since by that point the Blue Devils could've been distracted by the early stages of the sexual assault investigation? This year, more than any, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during the selection process.

If this slips Cornell's seed so it loses a field advantage, or so it winds up bracketed against Virginia before the finals (were Cornell to advance that far), we got screwed. It kind of pales against the tragedy, much of it self-inflicted, that's affecting Duke.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote billhoward]Feared this would happen: Cornell's victory being tainted by the belief that Duke had things other than lacrosse on its mind on game day.

And, does the [NCAA lax seeding] committee value Maryland's early-season win over Duke more than Cornell's, since by that point the Blue Devils could've been distracted by the early stages of the sexual assault investigation? This year, more than any, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during the selection process.

If this slips Cornell's seed so it loses a field advantage, or so it winds up bracketed against Virginia before the finals (were Cornell to advance that far), we got screwed. It kind of pales against the tragedy, much of it self-inflicted, that's affecting Duke.[/quote]


Nice persecution complex, bill.

Personally I think its entirely possible, if not likely, that Duke may not have been at their best that day.

Furthermore, Duke, at 6-2, is a 20th something team in the nation. For all other teams, it doesn't matter what you are when you beat them, it matters what they are at the end of the year. Why should this be any different? Duke, at the end of the year, will be a 20th something team. So we should get credit for beating a 20th something team. You can't go about assuming that they would have beaten the top teams and gotten back up to a place that they're not in - that would be what is ridiculously unfair.

Does it suck for us? Sure. Is it fair? Yes it is.

Now if Duke was sitting in the top 5 or 10 or even 15 at the end of the sesaon, that becomes a more interesting question. And I think you have to treat them as if that's what they were. But its irrelevant here.


Personally, my favorite part of the article is where they said its not a big factor because we've solidified our bid. Something that I was hoping, but was unsure of. Who knows if it'll hold up for sure, but its nice nonethless. But beat Brown tomorrow and it won't matter.

[Ken\'70]

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/433646.html

She says she was raped, her dad says it never happened.  Oh, and it was 3 guys that did it.

[ugarte]

[quote DeltaOne81]Furthermore, Duke, at 6-2, is a 20th something team in the nation.[/quote]Why are they ranked so low? Before the scandal weren't they considerably higher? I'm going to guess that the teams they beat kept on losing but I'm all ears for someone with knowledge to fill me in.

[ugarte]

[quote Ken'70]She says she was raped, her dad says it never happened.  Oh, and it was 3 guys that did it.[/quote]Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case AND that you are being an asshole, right?

[DeltaOne81]

[quote ugarte][quote DeltaOne81]Furthermore, Duke, at 6-2, is a 20th something team in the nation.[/quote]Why are they ranked so low? Before the scandal weren't they considerably higher? I'm going to guess that the teams they beat kept on losing but I'm all ears for someone with knowledge to fill me in.[/quote]

I dunno specifically, but must be. The ranking is just RPI, same formula as in hockey - win %age, opponent's win %age, and opp's opp's win %age.

Since the former is frozen by definition, the difference must be in strength of schedule - which is 2/3rds opp's win %age, and 1/3rd opp's opp's win %age. Opp's opp's is usually not a big difference between schools and tends to converge - and is only 1/3rd of SOS - so it seems the main effect would be from teams they played starting to lose.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote ugarte][quote Ken'70]She says she was raped, her dad says it never happened.  Oh, and it was 3 guys that did it.[/quote]Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case AND that you are being an asshole, right?[/quote]

Exactly. Well said, ugarte. I would have used many more words, but that was brevity in its best

Of course, there's also the chance that just because she may have lied before doesn't mean she's lying now. But I agree that things seem to be falling apart slow but steadily.

[Ken '70]

[quote ugarte] Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case [/quote]

Yuh think?

AND that you are being an asshole, right?

Hey, I understand, it's human nature.  When you've completely missed the obvious you feel embarrassed and foolish.  People lash out under these circumstances.  Really, I do understand.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Ken '70]I do understand.[/quote]
Sadly, I'm certain you don't.  Pity.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Ken '70][quote ugarte] Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case [/quote]

Yuh think?

AND that you are being an asshole, right?

Hey, I understand, it's human nature.  When you've completely missed the obvious you feel embarrassed and foolish.  People lash out under these circumstances.  Really, I do understand.[/quote]

No, you really are just an asshole.  Does Age need to take a poll?

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Ken '70][quote ugarte] Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case [/quote]

Yuh think?

AND that you are being an asshole, right?

Hey, I understand, it's human nature.  When you've completely missed the obvious you feel embarrassed and foolish.  People lash out under these circumstances.  Really, I do understand.[/quote]

Jumping to a conclusion, if the conclusion turns out to be correct, is not any better than jumping to a conclusion that turns out to be wrong.

Of course, now you probably think you have a great deep understanding of everything and know all and can look into people's souls and know their intent.

But really, you're just an asshole who jumped to a conclusion and apparently got lucky. No better than the people who said the entire team should be kicked out of school without knowing the facts.

[billhoward]

[quote ugarte][quote Ken'70]She says she was raped, her dad says it never happened.  Oh, and it was 3 guys that did it.[/quote]Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case AND that you are being an asshole, right?[/quote]

Ugarte, you said it for all of us, and you just missed it being haiku length. Well done.

Personally, I'm worried that a visitor to the site will see the other username and think: "Hey, Dryden really WAS the goalie on that 29-0 team of 1970 ... but he seems to be a bit moody these days."