Duke to forfeit games to Georgetown and Mount St. Mary's

[David Harding]

[quote Jordan 04]

Or an election to win.

The case certainly won't die yet; I believe the primary is the first week of May and the election is at the end of May. The facts and validity of the case nonwithstanding (and I am not going to make a judgment on that here), Nifong has a very strong motive to keep this case -- and his name -- in the paper for 6 more weeks.

Edit: It appears the only date of consequence is May 2, as there is no Republican challenger for District Attorney.[/quote]If this blows up in his face quickly enough (I'm not assuming that it will blow up at all, but there is a possibility), the Republicans probably have time to field an anybody-but-Nifong candidate.  I don't know NC election law, but in most places the parties seem to be able to nominate candidates even after a primary if no one has filed in time for the primary.

[nyc94]

ESPN says Duke has released their lacrosse recruits from their commitments.

[Beeeej]

[quote Ben Rockey 04]Yes, you are very correct that failing to prosecute is a good way to not win elections, but losing the case in court is also a good way to shoot future career advancement in the foot.  There won't be Congressional or State Senate race in his future if he goes to trial and loses, then suffers a defamation suit from WASPy kid's parents.[/quote]

No offense, but if you had any idea how difficult it is to bring a civil suit against a DA for defamation, wrongful prosecution, or any kind of violation of civil rights, you'd know how funny the above sounds.

Beeeej

[nyc94]

No indictments by the grand jury today and they adjourned for two weeks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=An7SbuPIKg.1O02S6OFCqhk5nYcB?slug=ap-dukelacrosse&prov=ap&type=lgns

"It was not known, however, whether indictments in the Duke case may have been returned under seal or were among the 24 cases "carried forward" to be heard at a later date."

[billhoward]

[quote nyc94]No indictments by the grand jury today and they adjourned for two weeks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=An7SbuPIKg.1O02S6OFCqhk5nYcB?slug=ap-dukelacrosse&prov=ap&type=lgns

"It was not known, however, whether indictments in the Duke case may have been returned under seal or were among the 24 cases "carried forward" to be heard at a later date."[/quote]

Always possible the DA's office ran into the rare grand jury that acts independently rather than as a rubber stamp, the rubber stamp GJ figuring if they made a mistake, the trial judge or trial jury will catch the glitch and set things right.

[nyc94]

[quote billhoward][quote nyc94]No indictments by the grand jury today and they adjourned for two weeks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=An7SbuPIKg.1O02S6OFCqhk5nYcB?slug=ap-dukelacrosse&prov=ap&type=lgns

"It was not known, however, whether indictments in the Duke case may have been returned under seal or were among the 24 cases "carried forward" to be heard at a later date."[/quote]

Always possible the DA's office ran into the rare grand jury that acts independently rather than as a rubber stamp, the rubber stamp GJ figuring if they made a mistake, the trial judge or trial jury will catch the glitch and set things right.[/quote]

CNN now saying two indictments.  And the link above now goes to a story saying the same.  Good job AP.  ::rolleyes::

[Beeeej]

Detailed article on CNN about the two indicted players, who have since voluntarily surrendered:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html

Beeeej

[ninian '72]

In this case we have even more reasons for skepticism.  Since the alleged victim is black and the alleged attackers white, we can look to the Dept. of Justice's Natonal Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS, at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus03.pdf , see table 42) to see the frequency of white on black rapes in 2003.  The number of white rapists reported by black victims in 2003 is so small it's reported as 0%.  This table is only for single offenders, however a further analysis of the data done by Jared Taylor ( http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm ) also shows multiple offender white on black rape to approximate 0%.

Do you think that's really because it hardly ever happen? Or do you think it may be more often done by white people in a position of power over black people, especially in cities/towns/counties with a history of racial tension and a corresponding class/power divide.

Keep in mind that those statistics only reflect *reported* crimes (of course). Rather than saying that it means it doesn't happen, it could also mean that we have a serious problem about power and priveledge being used to prevent the reporting of white-on-black crime. So perhaps she should be commended for being one of the brave few who does the right thing regardless of the power and slander that's likely to come (as you so willingly pile on)?

Just a point of fact here.  The NCVS is a household sample survey that is specifically designed to measure crimes that are both reported and not reported to the police.  Interviews are conducted one-on-one with household members to encourage reporting of sensitive incidents, and the survey includes careful questioning regarding crimes that are difficult to report, including sexual assaults.  It's about as state-of-the-art as is possible for a general population survey measuring these kinds of events. However, there are relatively few rape/sexual assault incidents measured, compared to other violent crimes like assault, so the analysts at BJS typically don't push the breakdowns by race/ethnicity very hard. This is partially a result of the sample size of the survey, which - while large enough to measure most personal and household crimes accurately - is not as useful for measuring sexual assault and producing reliable estimates and comparisons for this type of crime. Bottom line: Take any sexual assault data broken down by other factors such as race with a grain of salt.

[billhoward]

[quote Ken '70]In this case we have even more reasons for skepticism.  Since the alleged victim is black and the alleged attackers white, we can look to the Dept. of Justice's Natonal Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS, at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus03.pdf , see table 42) to see the frequency of white on black rapes in 2003.  The number of white rapists reported by black victims in 2003 is so small it's reported as 0%.  This table is only for single offenders, however a further analysis of the data done by Jared Taylor ( http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm ) also shows multiple offender white on black rape to approximate 0%.[/quote]

Jared Taylor was one of the world's experts on Lotus 1-2-3 in the 1980s and early 1990s (see PC Magazine's Spreadsheet Clinic) ... fluent in Japanese (he grew up there) ... and Christopher Reeve-good looking. However, his politics outside the world of 1-2-3 are a bit out of the mainstream. His writing on Japan has been called insightful by the WS Journal on the OpEd page but elsewhere as something approaching racist. So any factual information parsed and reported by Jared on matters of culture or race ought to be viewed with a skeptical eye. As part of a broad range of research/study, he'd be a great counterpoint resource. As the only source, approach with open eyes.

[billhoward]

At first, this was a fascinating thread, perhaps a little titillating, perhaps a little glee at someone else's misfortune (schadenfreude). Perhaps.

Not it's just sad. It's a reminder that group behavior can possibly lead relatively normal people to do deviant things. It's going to scar some promising young lives. Plus there's the victim -- if what she says happened, happened, then she's suffering worse that somebody who's now going to have trouble landing a nice job at Credit Suisse upon graduation. Even people living on the borderline of the law deserve some protection from the law.

High school and college sports are great. But parents in high school and to some extent coaches and administrators in college need to reinforce the reality that the heros on the field aren't so special off the field.

[Ken '70]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1

I didn't know I was going to have to actually IDENTIFY anybody, I thought I could just get me the money from, you know, what I said.  Damn, wouldn't you just know I'd go ahead and pick one that wasn't there. Can I try again?

[Beeeej]

[quote Ken '70]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1

I didn't know I was going to have to actually IDENTIFY anybody, I thought I could just get me the money from, you know, what I said.  Damn, wouldn't you just know I'd go ahead and pick one that wasn't there. Can I try again?[/quote]

Do you have any evidence that the alleged victim's motives are extortionate, or that she knowingly misidentified someone?  If not, Ken, your post is just plain despicable and hateful.

Beeeej

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Beeeej]
Do you have any evidence that the alleged victim's motives are extortionate, or that she knowingly misidentified someone?  If not, Ken, your post is just plain despicable and hateful.

Beeeej[/quote]

Is that aything new for Ken?

[Ken\'70]

Local station recently reported on process police are to use for photo ID of attackers:  the suspect is supposed to be one of 8 pictures (7 unrelated parties) shown sequentially to accuser.  Given that 46 players were suspects then following the procedure to the letter would require the accuser to view 368 pictures - I bet that happened.  Since the players may have been shown with their shirts off, then the 342 unknowns should also have been shirtless.

A local organization that designed, implemented and monitors the process says if police just showed the accuser the 46 pictures of the lacrosse team the ID would not be admissible.

That's why defense lawyers are so keen to find out how the ID was done.

[RichH]

IMO, a very bizarre effect of this matter:

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=1862560&page=1