Another cheer Trotsky will not approve of ...

Facetimer · March 15, 2006, 10:36:50 AM

http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/victor-victoria.html

I know the Pepsi Center is probably not the proper venue for somthing like this, but this should be arranged for subsequent seasons.

Tub(a) · March 15, 2006, 10:57:02 AM

Been there, done that.

Beeeej · March 15, 2006, 11:08:46 AM

Sorry, but I fail to see the humor in this. It's supposed to be funny that a single, straight male of college age would be interested in a single, straight female who comes on to him? It's supposed to be something you can make fun of that he believed what he was intended to believe?

I'm highly against chanting phone numbers or using anything from someone's private life, and I'm vehemently against the Lynah Faithful doing, and gaining a reputation for doing, anything like the above stupidity. It's utterly classless.

Beeeej

Tub(a) · March 15, 2006, 11:18:16 AM

[quote Beeeej]Sorry, but I fail to see the humor in this. It's supposed to be funny that a single, straight male of college age would be interested in a single, straight female who comes on to him? It's supposed to be something you can make fun of that he believed what he was intended to believe?

I'm highly against chanting phone numbers or using anything from someone's private life, and I'm vehemently against the Lynah Faithful doing, and gaining a reputation for doing, anything like the above stupidity. It's utterly classless.

Beeeej[/quote]

Wow, you even put vehemently in italics. That must mean you are really serious about your opinion.

Phone numbers are too far, making fun of someone's desire to "close the distance" is not. It's classless to engage in a conversation with a willing participant over instant messenger? I'm not sure what your standard for class is then.

Beeeej · March 15, 2006, 11:23:43 AM

[quote Tub(a)]Phone numbers are too far, making fun of someone's desire to "close the distance" is not. It's classless to engage in a conversation with a willing participant over instant messenger? I'm not sure what your standard for class is then.[/quote]

I fail to see how anybody who thinks using phone numbers goes too far could possibly think it's classy to intentionally defraud someone into setting themselves up for public humiliation.

Beeeej

Tub(a) · March 15, 2006, 11:29:40 AM

[quote Beeeej][quote Tub(a)]Phone numbers are too far, making fun of someone's desire to "close the distance" is not. It's classless to engage in a conversation with a willing participant over instant messenger? I'm not sure what your standard for class is then.[/quote]

I fail to see how anybody who thinks using phone numbers goes too far could possibly think it's classy to intentionally defraud someone into setting themselves up for public humiliation.

Beeeej[/quote]

I guess I don't see where the athlete was forced to give up all of this sensitive information to an internet stranger.

Beeeej · March 15, 2006, 11:35:40 AM

[quote Tub(a)][quote Beeeej][quote Tub(a)]Phone numbers are too far, making fun of someone's desire to "close the distance" is not. It's classless to engage in a conversation with a willing participant over instant messenger? I'm not sure what your standard for class is then.[/quote]

I fail to see how anybody who thinks using phone numbers goes too far could possibly think it's classy to intentionally defraud someone into setting themselves up for public humiliation.

Beeeej[/quote]

I guess I don't see where the athlete was forced to give up all of this sensitive information to an internet stranger.[/quote]

I didn't say he was forced. And I guess I don't see how you can think it's classy. I suppose it's a matter of opinion. But rest assured I'd think less of you if you did it to a Cornell opponent, and leave it at that.

Beeeej

DeltaOne81 · March 15, 2006, 11:40:48 AM

Um, I hate the number thing as Lynah too - but they said they chanted *her* number. Which, I figure was faked. Just to let me know that they were onto him.

On the whole topic, I kinda feel it went a bit too far, because what's wrong with a guy talking to a girl. But I also see the "haha, you were fooled by a computer" take on it.

But I'm not sure about the phone number controversy - unless I'm missing something - because it wasn't even a real number.

Rosey · March 15, 2006, 11:43:27 AM

[quote Tub(a)]It's classless to engage in a conversation with a willing participant over instant messenger? I'm not sure what your standard for class is then.[/quote]
Let me put it this way:

Haven't you ever heard kids convince another kid of a lie, but one that is completely reasonable, and then proceed to laugh at him when he believes it?

How is it unreasonable that this guy might have groupies IM'ing him for dates? Why should we laugh at "tricking" someone into believing something completely reasonable?

"Holy shit, look at that car wreck!" "What??" "Psyche!!! Made you look!" Pretty juvenile.

Kyle

CowbellGuy · March 15, 2006, 11:45:44 AM

If you look at the comments, they suggested he got that wrong and it was actually his number they chanted.

Tub(a) · March 15, 2006, 11:47:36 AM

[quote krose]"Holy shit, look at that car wreck!" "What??" "Psyche!!! Made you look!" Pretty juvenile.[/quote]

Holy unequal situation, Batman!

I agree that using this sort of thing from normal conversation is questionable. There are situations where I think it is reasonable to make fun of someone's actions when they are grossly beyond what a normal human being would do. I don't really want to post those situations here, if you want to know PM me for details.

Beeeej · March 15, 2006, 11:48:51 AM

[quote Tub(a)]There are situations where I think it is reasonable to make fun of someone's actions when they are grossly beyond what a normal human being would do.[/quote]

To an extent, I agree with you. I think the baseball bat thing was fair game, certainly.

Beeeej

scannon · March 15, 2006, 12:12:20 PM

Personally, I don't think it was funny since they didn't get anything on him that was that embarrasing. If they had really pushed it, I'll leave it to your imaginations what that could mean, then just letting him know that they had seen it would be enough to put him off his game. They wouldn't have even had to chant anything that bad.:-D

atb9 · March 15, 2006, 01:18:46 PM

Anyone going to bring up the Maine hockey player that tried to hook up with a teenage girl? :-P

billhoward · March 15, 2006, 01:33:10 PM

[quote atb9]Anyone going to bring up the Maine hockey player that tried to hook up with a teenage girl? :-P[/quote]

You mean underage teenage girl? There's a piece of legislation seen differently by Bill and Hilary.

Regarding some of the concern over yelling out a phone # in a stadium or arena:

If it's the player's phone # (or his mom's), that seems beyond the realm of decency. Where does it stop -- will Harvard fans wave "RETARD" signs when David McKee steps on the ice?

But if the Cal fans scammed a USC player, convinced him he was in touch with an interested female groupie, then during warmups changed out "Victoria" and the alleged phone # for Victoria (to verify the gag), that's pretty damn funny. We've been using terrabytes of bandwidth figuring out ways to mess with the opponent, and Cal figured out a classy way to do it.

But: How much should fans be involved in trying to affect the outcome of the game. Does anyone else think that in amateur sports at least, there ought to be some baseline of decency? Cheer for your team, pro forma boos when the other team is penalized (3,000-plus shouting "See ya, good" is an affirmation of how many fans are cheering Cornell and they're all on top of the game), but don't try to invade the player's personal life.